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 Post subject: Re: Hum Rog] [TALON] Reinald de Rochefort - of many titles
PostPosted: Thu May 02, 2013 9:23 am 
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Reinald actually met Marietta once. He asked her to induct him into the Thuban faith before having wild mudsex with her and Cendre. Afterwards he sold a quarter of a sixth of a twelfth of his soul to the devil and ate a baby. Marietta deleted right afterwards. I can't believe you forgot about that Baldric.

But seriously, I do remember meeting Marietta and probably Tarconus but only briefly.


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 Post subject: Re: Hum Rog] [TALON] Reinald de Rochefort - of many titles
PostPosted: Thu May 02, 2013 9:27 am 
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this thread is reminding me of what i remember most about reinald which is that he is always vocally right about everything, so he's got that going for him, which is nice. talk about an aggressive newb.


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 Post subject: Re: Hum Rog] [TALON] Reinald de Rochefort - of many titles
PostPosted: Thu May 02, 2013 9:44 pm 
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Erik wrote:
So what happens in these cases? Some of us aren't that inclined to report every single objection we have to the staff or start countless threads in GD or gameplay. I have been asking for RP guidelines regarding the Talons for ages especially since there were so many contradicting opinions regarding their nature and function but I never got something specific. If you can't add anything actually constructive to that, go troll in GD, kthx.

If you don't bother to report an accusation of imm favoritism or cheating, then it never happened and you don't get to whine about it later.

Lest the above be misconstrued, let it be known (once again) that I expect and demand that if you witness an event which you believe represents an administrator cheating, that you report it to me directly, ASAP and with as much evidence as possible (such as logs and/or multiple witness accounts). Most of the vets of SK know that I will not hesitate to toss an admin out on their [REDACTED] with extreme prejudice if they actually cheated.

But whining about it six months later in your own afterlife thread when you didn't bother to say anything at the time and the admin in question isn't even an admin anymore is just a waste of everyone's time.


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 Post subject: Re: Hum Rog] [TALON] Reinald de Rochefort - of many titles
PostPosted: Fri May 03, 2013 7:33 am 
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Dulrik wrote:
Erik wrote:
So what happens in these cases? Some of us aren't that inclined to report every single objection we have to the staff or start countless threads in GD or gameplay. I have been asking for RP guidelines regarding the Talons for ages especially since there were so many contradicting opinions regarding their nature and function but I never got something specific. If you can't add anything actually constructive to that, go troll in GD, kthx.

If you don't bother to report an accusation of imm favoritism or cheating, then it never happened and you don't get to whine about it later.

Lest the above be misconstrued, let it be known (once again) that I expect and demand that if you witness an event which you believe represents an administrator cheating, that you report it to me directly, ASAP and with as much evidence as possible (such as logs and/or multiple witness accounts). Most of the vets of SK know that I will not hesitate to toss an admin out on their rear with extreme prejudice if they actually cheated.

But whining about it six months later in your own afterlife thread when you didn't bother to say anything at the time and the admin in question isn't even an admin anymore is just a waste of everyone's time.


You must have missed this. It refers to the incidents that I'm talking about, reported and got an actually favorable and helpful response.

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It failed of course and the decision was overturned later on, something that most people don't even know about.


It wasn't my intention to stir the pot on this one, hell I barely spoke about it even in ooc places when it was happening. But when people point back to those incidents to somehow prove their point I think it's more than appropriate to talk about the other side of the story which isn't known to many. I'd pretty much prefer to focus on the nice things regarding this character instead of dealing with this rewarmed crap for the last five pages but the truth must be told.

As for mentioning immortal disputes, do I really have to have a personal grievance to mention it? I'm asking about the process, not just regarding cheating but even things like different instructions on the same issues. Example: immortal A tells you that lighties can't kill darkie NPCs without proper justification, immortal B tells you that they can. Who do you talk to in that case and what do you do?


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 Post subject: Re: Hum Rog] [TALON] Reinald de Rochefort - of many titles
PostPosted: Fri May 03, 2013 4:58 pm 
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I can't be bothered to read this thread, but Reinald was a great grey-aura'd character. He was the most annoying person to Surrit, so he definitely played a great Talon.


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 Post subject: Re: Hum Rog] [TALON] Reinald de Rochefort - of many titles
PostPosted: Sun May 19, 2013 6:06 am 
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Personally I think Reinald did a fantastic job playing scrupulous alignment. The claims that he was "self-serving" really should be more substantiated.

How is it self serving to put yourself on the frontline of a nations defense? Often Reinald fought solo against wave after wave of the dark war machine. Dying over and over and losing his equipment to keep Nerina safe. If he was selfish he would have sat on his bum and sold out his people. Or only been a Talon leader to abuse the power to his own ends. Which clearly hasn't been substantiated.

Is there some cash reward that you get for being constantly pkilled that I don't know about, that Reinald was selfishly indulging in?

For one reading help scrupulous it is clear that they are willing to use almost any means necessary to fight evil-DOERS. Scrupulous is the perfect alignment for a gray or light tribunal.

I came up as a zhensh newbie, returning to the game from circa '97. Zhenshi was under constant attack when I returned to the game by the MC, Crucible, and Hand. The defenders of Nerina, against overwhelming odds, we're essentially at that time some combination of Wudan, Hoch, Rinax, and Reinald. I never once saw Reinald use his station to further himself, or his needs, but instead that he was willing to set aside his own safety, his own wealth, to fight and die for Zhenshi.

The fact that people actually use the term "THE LIGHT" shows a clear lack of reading ability of help files in my opinion. Here's what I mean:

1)Principled, clearly it's own alignment.
2)Scrupulous, clearly it's own alignment, much different from principled.
3)Each religion has it's own added restrictions
4)Hammer members have their own morals that offset, even supercede, what is written in help principled and help scrupulous.

It just seems like there should be at least 4 dispositions times five religions plus non-religous, so at LEAST 24 possible light aura character concepts not 1. I feel players using the verbage "THE LIGHT" are clearly mashing what is over 24 possible combinations into ONE THING. If that is how the game is supposed to work it seems a waste to have help files for two alignments, five different religous views, and a help file to clarify the expectations of the hammer cabal.

If all the light is expected to act the exact same, remove all the help files and just have HELP LIGHT-HEARTED. The fact that the help files are clearly more flushed out than that, as is every sit down pen and paper rp game, clearly shows that expecting THE LIGHT to all act the same is assinine.

If you don't think there's room for Reinald to be light aura and serve Zhenshi in a way that respects the diversity found within I don't know what to tell you. I'd really like someone to subtantiate how Reinald was being "selfish". If everyone has to play the same bs alignment, and if the nations culture and the tribunals culture don't come into play, then just get rid of the help cultural files and help tribunal files and replace it all with a single blob of a help file called "LIGHT-HEARTED".

The way I see it is this. Everyone is expected to play HAMMER version of Principled alignment and that's the only light alignment being considered. We just can just throw all the rest out.....or maybe Dulrik made two light alignment, five religions, non-religous, different cabals, tribunals and cultures, so that there would be diversity in the game?
Personally anyone saying Reinald was or wasn't acting LIGHT aura without taking all these other factors into account, is just ignoring all the help files.

Kudos to you Reinald. Fighting the good fight (not sitting on your bum with a holier than thou opinion,and nothing else, making mud sex babies).

Reinald was a true to his friends in game. He adhered to his duty to the Talon and Zhenshi at all costs. He was fearless and compassionate but not afraid to lay down the law if he had to. And if that law breaker was of light aura they should be criticized for breaking the law (read help principled and scrupulous) not Reinald for upholding it. If you can't be more specific than LIGHTIE, and take the multiple help files into account just keep it to yourself. Because lumping all that into LIGHTIE just shows you're ignorance of a wonderful and diverse game system that we have the pleasure of delving into.

Always going to be haters. Hate on haters. Reinald was legit.
I think many of his critics are quite simply ignorant and jealous. Jesus had a bunch of haters too. Hanging out with those prostitutes and tax collectors. Nice to know Jesus wouldn't make your cut either.


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 Post subject: Re: Hum Rog] [TALON] Reinald de Rochefort - of many titles
PostPosted: Sun May 19, 2013 10:06 am 
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Man, DojoJo, I almost stopped reading your post halfway through. I'm so glad I didn't, or I'd have missed this gem:
DojoJo wrote:
I think many of his critics are quite simply ignorant and jealous. Jesus had a bunch of haters too. Hanging out with those prostitutes and tax collectors. Nice to know Jesus wouldn't make your cut either.


In all seriousness, as a pro-tip for aspiring forum warriors: Try to keep it short and sweet. If you are repeating yourself, writing walls of texts, and appearing emotional, you are undermining the points you are trying to get across.


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 Post subject: Re: Hum Rog] [TALON] Reinald de Rochefort - of many titles
PostPosted: Sun May 19, 2013 10:52 am 
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Baldric wrote:
Man, DojoJo, I almost stopped reading your post halfway through

I did. Thanks for quoting.


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 Post subject: Re: Hum Rog] [TALON] Reinald de Rochefort - of many titles
PostPosted: Sun May 19, 2013 2:49 pm 
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Rodwen wrote:
Baldric wrote:
Man, DojoJo, I almost stopped reading your post halfway through

I did. Thanks for quoting.

I agree with Rodwen.

shut up rodwen


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 Post subject: Re: Hum Rog] [TALON] Reinald de Rochefort - of many titles
PostPosted: Mon May 20, 2013 4:10 pm 
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EDIT: Nevermind.


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