Shattered Kingdoms

While I hate to further derail this afterlife, I wanted to advocate this. None of us want D's mailbox flooded with false or unfounded claims of poor behavior from staffers, but if something does happen where it is clear that a member of the staff is utilizing their powers as an immortal to benefit their own mortal character or to benefit certain characters that could then aid their mortal please do let a higher level staff know. i.e. Dulrik or Achernar. We might be staff, but we also need to be held accountable for our actions in the same way we hold the rest of the player base accountable for theirs.

hi

i have read the thread and i am not on anyone's side about alignment etc

let's say i don't know what his alignment is, and i haven't been on the opposing end of his character

the following qualities i appreciate about Reinald, the character:

he was relatively long lived
relatively active
participated in events
participated in battles
made Zhenshi visible for a long time
spent considerable time to help others
was willing to converse
not uppity despite his station
strong conviction to his beliefs

overall, was alright, thanks

This isn't a complaint thread, it's an afterlife thread. The incident happened ten months ago. Gtfo Finney.

This is becoming a very heated thread! Kind of makes me to look forward to new replies I do think, however, that the point of discussion is really... moot.

Anyone that has played a table top role playing game in their lives - and anyone that has had any significant contact with other human beings, really - knows that there are some undeniable facts:

General Facts:
1. People have opinions. I won't repeat what opinions are like, I believe everybody knows.
2. People defend their opinions. Some times, violently.
3. People will not accept another's opinions, easily. They must first be willing to change their own opinion to do so.

RPG Facts:
1. Game Masters run the game (in our case, IMMS)
2. If a Game Master believes something must be done in a specific way, then that belief is a rule, because of rpg fact 1.
3. If a player feels slighted by a Game Master, they should either man up and get over it, contact a higher level staff and complain about it or stop playing
4. Alignments are collections of "guidelines" (a softer word for "rules") on how a character must act.
5. As per general facts 1, 2 and 3, you are fully entitled into believing you play the right alignment, until told you are not by a Game Master
6. Likewise, as per general facts 1, 2, and 3, every body else is fully entitled into believing you are not playing the right alignment, until told otherwise by a Game Master.

Therefore, this is not a conversation without right, or wrong, unless an Imm - or Dulrik - wishes to step in and say what is Right for their game - which we must then accept as a rule. Because they are this game's Game Masters. Until then, this is nothing but a trolling, accusation, name-calling, thinly veiled threat tossing contest. Which is very entertaining.

Finally, never assume anything about anyone. Assumption is the mother of all [REDACTED] ups.

Like I said in my reply, a great character. Personally, I still believe a grey alignment would suit him best. Keyword here is "personally".

I'm really sorry that calling you out as an ineffectual cheater upsets you so much that you have to post pictures of yourself on the internet to prove a point. I get it, you're special. But really, you should gtfo, there are no pretty pictures here and you'll get bored soon. I'll just ignore you from now on before you manage to hurt yourself.

Now, nerdraging failtroll aside, what happens when different imms have different views on rules? Especially rules that aren't in any helpfile or even go against some of them? What happens when imms contradict each other? I don't think that Dulrik has nearly enough time to settle all the disputes arising from these conflicts, and gathering scattered Dulrik quotes from the times he did settle some dispute is almost futile. I think both the playerbase and the immortals could benefit if a collection of all those clarifications to the rules could be gathered.

Wow man. RELAX! The point of my original post was not to start all this crap trolling. Secondly, Meissa is probably the most active, fair and my personally favorite IMM. So you should relax on slinging accusations around like a monkey in a zoo. Lastly, alignments restrictions have always been tightest against light aura. Has been since I have been playing. I just wanted to point that out along with the fact that darkies get away with not playing their alignment more than lighties do.

Chris

What accusations are those mate? Feel free to show me another afterlife thread where an immortal joined in with the trolling. Until you actually find one, I reserve the right to believe that Meissa gaining immhood (which I couldn't be arsed to keep tabs on and therefore, my maths are terrible derp) is going to be an experience similar to dealing with her characters. No further comments there, everyone can judge for themselves eventually.

I honestly couldn't care less if you think that my argument was trollsome Meissa, but for the sake of educating you, I'll point to a couple of cases where imm disputes happened. First, there was this lightie on lightie gank on Jengis and Sargas' insistence that Jengis should have been cursed as well (expecting more of Finney's trollwhinning after this one). In the end, that didn't come to pass. Second case, Sargas refused to fix the Yed grp damage in Nerina citing various ad-hoc reasons until Dulrik told him that it was indeed immortal oversight that Nerina hadn't been fixed yet and that it had nothing to do with current wars. Do I really need to go on? Most of my immortal interactions on this character have been with Sargas and even though I'm clearly not a fan of his, it's not my intention to start a [REDACTED] list with what I think were his failings here. At least there's one thing he didn't do and that was to hide behind his immortal account to voice his personal opinions.

So what happens in these cases? Some of us aren't that inclined to report every single objection we have to the staff or start countless threads in GD or gameplay. I have been asking for RP guidelines regarding the Talons for ages especially since there were so many contradicting opinions regarding their nature and function but I never got something specific. If you can't add anything actually constructive to that, go troll in GD, kthx.

You're trying too hard Finney. Did you forget that ardith already tried the nationality approach and failed to troll me just like you? Have to say though that seeing various forms of racism being kosher here is really bloody interesting.

To any hapless newbie that may stumble on this thread: Yes, this is what SK is all about. Consider that well before you actually invest time in it. Speak softly, carry a big stick and keep a full bag of pacifiers at hand at all times.

Regardless of your gripes with Sargas and other PAST situations, the staff is CURRENTLY focused on fixing the problem of inequity. I mean, I just don't know what else you could possibly hope to expect.

I saw more of Reinald as an IMM than I ever did as a mort, so your assumption that I am hiding behind this account is disingenuous. I have opinions of nearly every character in the game based upon things that I see through both my Meissa and my current mortal accounts, and whether or not you agree with my assessment, I am entitled to it.

My "joined the forums" date is located to the left of this post, and I was made an IMM before I got a handle here. Is pointing that out trolling, too?

I don't think I ever interacted with Reinald. My understanding is that he did not play is alignment properly, though. I'm not sure if this has already been discussed because I haven't read this thread. I just wanted to bring up the issue of alignment, especially with regards to Reinald. It should be discussed.