Hum Rog] [TALON] Reinald de Rochefort - of many titles

Erik · **Posted:** Tue Apr 30, 2013 9:59 am

Meissa wrote:

Alignment and race are the most important aspects of your character and trump religion, class, faction, and everything else. If you're justifying things that go against your character's core with choices he or she made (which should have been dictated by that core to begin with), you're, quite simply, doing it wrong.

I wasn't a Reinald fan for a number of reasons, mostly those that stemmed from his ability to ignore his center and do things that lighties rightly questioned. His response to their concern and/or disdain cinched him as a self-serving graybie in my book.

There must be some sort of reading comprehension problem here. I said religion and faction further define alignment, not overrule it. Remind me what concerns the other lighties had and over what? It would be really fun to discuss killing Anthal now, which was a complete accident and wasn't even by his hand. But I suppose stepping in and taking the full blame to protect his soldier is unlightie like and self-serving greybie-like.

Meissa wrote:

Please create a new topic, perhaps in the Gameplay forum, for further accusations of IMM favoritism

No. That was -unfortunately- a significant part of my SK experience through this character and it has a rightful place in this thread, especially when I am provoked with vague references to punishments that were "rightfully" deserved. It would also be far more honest if you used your mortal account to discuss my character instead of hiding behind the pretend anonymity of being Meissa.

I'd like to see examples of Reinald being self-serving since that is the hallmark of two out of the three greybie alignments. Really, refresh my memory.

It seems to me the biggest problem anyone had with my character was that he was never a gimp. Hell if I know how that translates into stepping out of alignment. Seriously, I don't even understand why bring up the bad lightie thing if you are not going to substantiate it somehow, unless the purpose here is to troll. I'll go on and ignore that unless it contains actual references to something. And I'm definitely done with playing lighties.

Meissa · **Posted:** Tue Apr 30, 2013 10:13 am

By your admission, you let your tribunal trump your alignment, but it wasn't one occasion or two. It was all over the place throughout the life of the character. He was a man with zero manifested lightie convictions: He was Dogmatic at best, with the laws of Zhenshi being his highest concern. At worst, he was a man just looking to cover his own rear-end by taking alliances that made his job as Talon leader easier without regard to how it actually affected citizens or others of the light.

There have been so many instances when concerns were brought to Reinald's attention, and they're posted publicly for all to see in and out of character. You ignored them then, and I'm not really expecting anything different in this thread. It's not my job to rehash them for you now, nor is it my duty to reveal my player identity in order to "validate" my opinion that Reinald was a less-than-exemplary light-aura character.

Galactus · **Joined:** Fri Aug 24, 2012 3:21 pm **Posts:** 906

yeah... so are certain elves, but neither here nor there.

Point is this, stop posting under your IMM handle as if to give a certain amount of authority and credence to the non-lightie actions and lies by the protected lighties.

The fact that he respected all life, including non-lighties, made him a lightie. As denoted in the scrupulous help file. By upholding the just laws of Zhenshi actually supported this, since the laws of zhenshi are to respect a person's right to live.

three_sixteen · **Posted:** Tue Apr 30, 2013 10:40 am

Meissa wrote:

At worst, he was a man just looking to cover his own rear-end by taking alliances that made his job as Talon leader easier without regard to how it actually affected citizens or others of the light.

You do realize that the Talons are a neutral organization, right? Also that Nerina is a neutral city, right?

help file wrote:

[HP:100%] [ME: 90%] [PE:100%]
> help talon
Talons of the Feathered Dragon

Within the Domain of Zhenshi, the Talons of the Feathered Dragon have been
the special guards of Zhenshi since being appointed by the Fists during
Emperor Li's reign. Since that time, the Talons have evolved to be the
tribunal of Zhenshi reporting only to the Council of Priests, the theocratic
ruling body of Zhenshi. Composed of citizens of the Domain of Zhenshi, its
members are no longer exclusively of the griffon race, but comprised of
various alignments and races from the neutral population that they serve.

[HP:100%] [ME: 94%] [PE:100%]
> help nerina
[Cities help] Nerina

Within the city of Nerina, laws protect citizens and visitors of all
persuasions. Those following the laws are usually protected or vindicated
against agressors, regardless of their affiliation. However, the promise of
safety often comes at a price. Nestled between East and West, Nerina is a
city of near-constant conflict. As organizations on both sides of the
continent push and pull for influence in the kingdom of Zhenshi, Nerinan
citizens often find themselves unwillingly or unwittingly in the line of
fire.

See also: Zhenshi

[HP:100%] [ME:100%] [PE:100%]
> help zhenshi
[Kingdom help] Zhenshi

The Dominion of Zhenshi is huge, spanning the mountainous regions in
southern Pyrathia as well as the deserts along the southern coast. The
natural wealth that Zhenshi enjoyed through its lush farmland and bountiful
forests were wiped out by Zhang the Usurper, whose tyrannical rule raped the
land, helping to bring about the Zhang Desert. The one good thing Zhang did
before his destruction was to discover superior metal wealth through his
slave labor camps. Historically, Zhenshi tends to isolate itself from the
rest of the realm, but events continue to bring the people out of their
seclusion. Most of the human and elven population left Zhenshi during the
Usurper's Rule, leaving a land populated by the other races. Currently, the
Imperial line has been destroyed and the government of Zhenshi has become a
Theocracy by means of a council of priests who rule the Dominion. Nerina,
one of the main cities, is an excellent home for those who wish to follow a
good or balanced path, though it is more difficult for those with evil in
their hearts.

Recently, there has been a movement to name a new Empress, but only as a
title. The government basically remains a theocracy.

See also: Nerina

Erik · **Posted:** Tue Apr 30, 2013 10:46 am

I think Galactus said it best regarding the use of the imm account. Simply put ilk..I mean Meissa, if you don't care to validate what you claim, I won't care about your unsubstantiated opinions.

By my own admission and I suggest you actually read what I'm writing here, I had to define my character's morals in the specific environment he operated in, not disregard them. To make it even clearer, Zhenshi has lightie, greybie and darkie citizens. If Reinald didn't look for actual evil-doers instead of just evil auras, he would end up bothering citizens of his own kingdom that relied on him for protection. Is that your understanding of alignments?

FinneyOwnzU · **Joined:** Wed Apr 24, 2002 11:51 am **Posts:** 1500

jreid_1985 wrote:

I'm not rolling a lighty again, at least for a while. No use dealing with the drama that comes with it
and the risk of eating curses because I don't have OOC connections.
Either enforce the rules for all or don't enforce them at all.

Also, I refuse to get involved in any kind of intentional pk/rpk that actually stems from ooc hate an Imm and a player have for each.

There is definitely drama associated with playing a good-aligned character on SK, which is a valid reason not to pick scrupulous or principled alignment. However, this drama is created by the players - not by the staff. The rules are enforced fairly whether you have "connections" or not.

There might be a perception that rules are selectively enforced, since players are unlikely to be vocal about or post a thread agreeing with punishment when it is merited. However, threads (like this one) are common place. Punishment is meted out or the staff makes a decision that adversely affects a character, and the player runs to forum foaming at the mouth to declare staff bias and selective enforcement of the rules.

jreid_1985 · **Posted:** Tue Apr 30, 2013 1:26 pm

Do those same enforced rules apply to receiving help from an Imm to slay creatures in a certain area after the whole group died including his actual character in that group?

I'm not saying that any Imm right now or recently has been unfair. I like the current Imm staff. I'm simply stating my opinion on how I personally believe things work in regards to personal relationships.

I honestly feel that a person is less likely to receive a speeding ticket if he is poker buds with the sheriff that pulled him over.
I am not however advocating that there is any Imm corruption going on.

FinneyOwnzU · **Joined:** Wed Apr 24, 2002 11:51 am **Posts:** 1500

jreid_1985 wrote:

I am not however advocating that there is any Imm corruption going on.

The examples you used and the tone of your posts imply that the rules are selectively enforced, even if you aren't explicitly making that claim. I don't think there has any been any cheating, bias or selective enforcement of the rules by the staff in many years. Frewball is the last time I remember that happening, which was was like 2003 or so.

jreid_1985 · **Posted:** Tue Apr 30, 2013 4:34 pm

The rules are enforced fairly whether you have "connections" or not.

jreid_1985 wrote:

Do those same enforced rules apply to receiving help from an Imm to slay creatures in a certain area after the whole group died including his actual character in that group?

Yes or No?

Styles · **Posted:** Tue Apr 30, 2013 4:37 pm

If you actually saw that happen then you should just report it to Dulrik, not make oblique references to it here.

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