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Do you think the scrupulous help file needs a change?
Yes 43%  43%  [ 25 ]
No 28%  28%  [ 16 ]
Wert Option 29%  29%  [ 17 ]
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 Post subject: Re: Scrupulous helpfile wording change
PostPosted: Fri Aug 31, 2012 8:34 pm 
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Umber hulk slaves get attacked in Nerina.


Man I haven't seen people walking around with those in forever!


I dunno if you can get them anymore. Lighties RPd getting the shop closed at some point, iirc. (A pet shop in Ch'zzrym, wtf.)


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 Post subject: Re: Scrupulous helpfile wording change
PostPosted: Sat Sep 01, 2012 2:57 am 
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alcoholrainbowpig wrote:
It's just ridiculous that the kingdom of elves is being called more grey than a kingdom of humans.


It's not the kingdom of elves. It's the Ayamaoan alliance of elves, sprites, and centaurs. A nation is not defined by its capitol city alone. Also, Tas and Empire are way more "kingdom of humans" than Zhenshi, whose population also includes large settlements of halflings, griffons and gnomes.


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It's completely possible to play a pacifist, you just have to follow the rules of not getting PK'd.


Mmm hmm. I'll remember that the next time I log in, get killed, and them the murderer figures out after the fact who they killed, as though that justified the act in the first place.

There is only one rule to not get PK' that will work 100% of the time... and it's pretty sad.


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PostPosted: Sat Sep 01, 2012 9:58 am 
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Ayamao is definitely not the elf kingdom. It is a loose-knit federation mainly centered on the elf city, the sprite city and the centaur village. And the druids are definitely not a lightie cabal, having a long history of darkies in the ranks.

The most obvious god of the region is the nature god, which is an all-alignment god. How many miles of roadway are there in Ayamao? Not even the three center cities, which are located very close to each other in the northeastern quadrant of Ayamao, have roads connecting each other. And of the three major cities, two of them are located in trees.

The Fist, however, is a lightie cabal. And it is closely affiliated with Zhenshi.


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PostPosted: Sat Sep 01, 2012 10:03 am 
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ObjectivistActivist wrote:
It's not the kingdom of elves. It's the Ayamaoan alliance of elves, sprites, and centaurs. A nation is not defined by its capitol city alone. Also, Tas and Empire are way more "kingdom of humans" than Zhenshi, whose population also includes large settlements of halflings, griffons and gnomes.


Yeah, a bunch of fergert elves, prissy flower wearing sprites, and half human half horse fantasia centuars, is more grey, than.... zhenshi.


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PostPosted: Sat Sep 01, 2012 10:05 am 
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alcoholrainbowpig wrote:
ObjectivistActivist wrote:
It's not the kingdom of elves. It's the Ayamaoan alliance of elves, sprites, and centaurs. A nation is not defined by its capitol city alone. Also, Tas and Empire are way more "kingdom of humans" than Zhenshi, whose population also includes large settlements of halflings, griffons and gnomes.


Yeah, a bunch of fergert elves, prissy flower wearing sprites, and half human half horse fantasia centuars, is more grey, than.... zhenshi.


Don't be sad because you're wrong.


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PostPosted: Sat Sep 01, 2012 10:43 am 
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There is no right or wrong when talking about perception. If you all want the halfling, human, griffon kingdom to be more light in your eyes, go ahead. I think you are all just being thick-headed though. Maybe it's just me. I'll just keep playing the giant forest kingdom full of elves and sprites and centaurs as the more light kingdom and you all do it your way.

[edit]Alshain is also more lightie than Dulrik. :P


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PostPosted: Sat Sep 01, 2012 3:19 pm 
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Alcoholrainbowpig, you are welcome to have your own opinions, but you cannot have your own facts. And the fact is Zhenshi is very clearly more lightie than Ayamao. You can cry and [REDACTED] and [REDACTED] a fit all you want, but you cannot change the fact that Ayamao is more grey-oriented and Zhenshi is more light-oriented. Play your character however you want, but stop with your lies about Ayamao and Zhenshi. Those far more intelligent and far more informed than you know you are dead wrong in this case.


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PostPosted: Sat Sep 01, 2012 3:30 pm 
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Neither country is blatantly light or grey and that's largely due to various changes of direction they've taken over the years. You can blame that on the builders who made those changes or you can just say that history is not always neat and tidy. As it is, there is one clearly light nation (Taslamar), two clearly dark nations (Northern Wastes and Empire) and one clearly selfish nation (Uxmal). I am fine with Ayamao and Zhenshi both being a nebulous middle ground. As long as neither goes fully light or fully grey, they still provide balance to the map.


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PostPosted: Sat Sep 01, 2012 3:36 pm 
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Pushing40 wrote:
Alcoholrainbowpig, you are welcome to have your own opinions, but you cannot have your own facts. And the fact is Zhenshi is very clearly more lightie than Ayamao. You can cry and friendly and leak a fit all you want, but you cannot change the fact that Ayamao is more grey-oriented and Zhenshi is more light-oriented. Play your character however you want, but stop with your lies about Ayamao and Zhenshi. Those far more intelligent and far more informed than you know you are dead wrong in this case.


Considering Dulrik just said we are both wrong, you can get off your asinine high horse. Dumbass.


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