Shattered Kingdoms

Fair enough.

I agree. You sometimes need to do what needs done. But, in the end, I trust the accuracy rate of the IMMstaff way more than I'd trust the accuracy rate of, say, Muktar or OA being the RP police. I'd never say IMMs are always (or more often than not) right. I just don't think most players should be policing... because if they can, then they'll get all power-trippy and well like police. But, if the IC consequences force your hand, just do it. That's what logs and basic RP validation is force. It's all circumstantial.

Oh, and if Finney actually eats a curse for that, even considering all the chest-beating going about it... I'll eat my *#&$ing hat. It would be the very wrong move. If a curse actually happens, I'd make it very public somewhere people (IE: me) can get rowdy...like GD.

My question is this. Was Maelgrim's life ever threatened by Reinald's char?

If the answer is yes, then the pk is mildly justified.
If the answer is no, then HELL NO!

There are a plethora of ways for lighties to ICly punish another char for what they deem is bad lightie behavior, that doesn't include pking them. This whole justification that the pk is alright because they claimed he was corrupted is utter nonsense. It is arbitrary, and just about anyone can use that excuse to kill someone else. The corrupted tag is one of the worst IC tags that some of the lighties have been using to justify their crappy RP. They were not at war with eachother, they had a disagreement on how things should be handled in Zhenshi. If you had a problem with it, there is a plethora of other options to do, that doesn't include that since they are allowing darkies take shelter in the country, the person has to be corrupted!

Another extremely blatant reason players shouldn't be trusted or relied upon to enforce RP.

(look at that, I found a polite way to shove that into this thread, finally)

If your first response as a lightie is to kill another lightie because you don't like their RP. You are doing something wrong. If you have not exhausted all other options, then you are doing something wrong. As a lightie, it is the last choice, not the first or second.

And your understanding and thinking that this Maelgrim's FIRST, second, or even fifth response only reinforces my point as to why players shouldn't be trusted.

Yes, I am quite positive it wasn't. His reputation for making it towards the first choice, and not last choice was well documented when he murdered Genjis. Did he go to Ithorim to have him go to the Council to have Reinald reined in or disciplined? I know the answer, is no.

Your situation w/Maelgrim warranted a curse because it was, in fact, the first choice. In this case, the answer is no -- reputation or not, attempts were made to find common ground before (it's even documented in a log).

Amusingly, this is precisely the difference between principled and scrupulous. The principled person would be much more interested in turning someone around no matter how hard, but never with death. The scrupulous person might just decide that there's a point where you have to make a show of force.

From what I've seen, Maelgrim definitely felt like he'd exhausted all of the choices he knew were available to him as someone who isn't responsible for Reinald's well being, and things came to a head. I feel that if Genjis had never gotten killed by him, this discussion isn't even being had right now.

Yeah, I admit, that is part of it, but then again he still had options. Also, how is killing Reinald going to solve, anything? It wasn't going to change a thing except for Maelgrim becoming banished from Zhenshi. What reasonable person would think that a hard headed Reinald would respond to that kind of violence?

Your tears are delicious. You deserved exactly what you got on Genjis, since much like Reinald he was good-on-character-sheet only, not in actual gameplay. Hey, didn't you delete not long after that, too? Guess it was an old school "PK into the ground" situation.

I completely agree that a good-aligned character should not murder other good-aligned characters. However, my evaluation and judgement of a character's alignment is not solely based on what is listed on the attribute/score sheet, but also on RP and gameplay. If your attribute/score sheet shows scrupulous or principled, but you roleplay like a selfish or evil jerk - you get what you get.

This is one of those situations where Dulrik obviously disagrees and since he has the final word - players should expect a curse, if as a good-aligned character you decide to take action against gray-aura lighties. I do find it amusing that you are STILL whining about something that happened over a month ago.