Shattered Kingdoms

This, exactly. I also agree with what OA said, and I'd like to add that every "murder" is a case-by-case basis, especially when it comes to lighties. If you think someone's doing something wrong, whether it be breaking alignment or murdering without justifiable cause, or whatever the [REDACTED] the name of the bug is that crawled up your butt and is festering there, send the log to the Imms and let them deal with it. Stop QQing that [REDACTED] never gets done, that no one ever gets punished, when you won't do your part to see that it happens.

And that's assuming you're even right in the first place. I'm so tired of seeing a specific few people whining all the time about the injustices that have been committed toward their characters, when those characters have histories of harassment, violence, and/or jail time under their belt.

MsPooperTrooper, you do realize the definition of murder is the "unjustified killing" of someone, right?

Not to be nitpicky, but it's just lulzworthy reading your post.

That's why I put the word in quotes, brainiac.

Them is fighting words!

Why use the term "left wing" and "right wing" there are whackadoodles on both freaking sides.

Some people will do what they believe is good no matter what the cost, the motivation is that of doing the right thing, not some sick twisted pleasure.

Also murder in SK is a lot less impacting than murder in RL.

I used the terms left wing and right wing to refer to commonly understood stereotypes to illustrate my point more clearly. Would you have prefered the terms Peaceniks and Hanging Judges?

It is your character's right to believe that. However, do not mistake the right of perception of your character as your right to harp about what is factually so here on the forums.

Most people need to understand that in this alignment system, intent is 9/10ths of the law. Murder a kid because he was good and innocent? You're an evil [REDACTED]. Murder a kid because a god came and told you he would become the second coming of Zynor? Well, there's an argument to be made.

This is the game you signed up to play, unfortunately. Murder, is valiant, is vile. You can get a long way based on your intent, and it is the job of the IMMs to police and see if the logic and the actions you take correlate to the point of being a fit to the RP environment or not. It's an amazing, very flexible system that allows for great RP - but allows people an opportunity to do very, very bad RP as well. Policing is necessary.

I don't think it's the job of the IMMs to police Rp. People should be policing themselves. Somebody can worry about their own character, I can worry about mine, and the IMMs aren't stuck babysitting. [/perfectworld]

No, the problem is that we're not allowed to police ourselves. This came up back close to when I first started playing, because there were some lighties that were just not being lighties, and no active imms to take care of it. A hammer member or something ripped them a new one (literally, using a hammer and a horse which probably hurts like hell), and ate a massive (for the time) curse for it. There were even dissenting voices from the immstaff at the time on the subject. Some of the imms at the time were like "Hey, sometimes lighties just gotta clean house and handle massive [REDACTED] nozzles the hard way. Shouldn't be all the time, but it should happen once in a while." Other imms were like "NOOOOOOO! LIGHTIE ON LIGHTIE PK AM BAD! ALL LIGHTIES SHOULD HOLD HANDS AND SING KUMBAYA!" (Can you tell which side of the argument I'm on?)

Anyways, ultimately D's like "Nah, doesn't matter how stupid a lightie is being, or how much they're not actually RPing a lightie, other lighties aren't allowed to handle [REDACTED] themselves. Cry to an imm." Myself, I'd rather see imm time spent doing stuff like building and interacting with the game's players, but D would rather see their obviously limited time spent policing alignment because evidently the players aren't mature enough to handle that themselves without eating soul-witheringly big curses.

The problem with players policing themselves is a lot along the lines of why average citizens aren't empowered to enforce the law.

There's some things that require a trained eye and an understanding rules. There's very, very few people on SK I'd trust to enforce good roleplay besides me. I think Finney may be the only active player I'd trust, and even that is very begrudgingly. I wouldn't trust OA or anyone else to really do it. Lighties are able to handle it themselves, if they have the trained eye and backed up logs to prove it's valid. The problem is most lighties don't do that and wear a chip on their shoulders like they own the place.

There's a reason IMMs are entrusted with the curse command and players aren't. Some IMMs should be doing what OA suggests, sure, but some IMMs simply should have a lot of time devoted to policing RP. The game doesn't need many new areas and only some passive touch-ups on other areas. A lot of scripting work could be done, though...but there's plenty of room for people. I also heavily disagree IMMs should be facilitating very much RP - they should only be involved when IMM commands are necessary, like leadership changes.

Then again, I have a pretty unique philosophy on SK, I guess.