Shattered Kingdoms

There is a due process for everything, and it's up to characters to ICly hash out their situations. However, if there is people refusing to RP from both sides, then it's a problem, and that's where people like me get involved.

If you get ganked in a "they're a spy" fashion when you have never done anything, STOP WHINING ABOUT IT AND SEND ME A [REDACTED] LOG. Don't send me a log because you got caught doing something wrong and can't understand how they figured it out; send me a log where you were literally sitting RPing and got ganked for being a spy because your aura doesn't match, and then questions will be raised.

The question of diplomacy is perplexing. You should never see the Hammer allied with the Crucible or the Empire, ever, but the option to make it exists. This is common sense -- a lightie faction should almost never (or just plain never) ally with a darkie faction. Ceasefires exist so that RP can happen. You need to also respect your allies' wishes and work with them. Diplomacy is difficult.

I'm sorry, Muktar, but you completely fail to see the situation if you think there's no moral justification for what happened. You're uninformed, uneducated, outside of the loop, and are throwing around unjustified opinions fueled by rhetoric and hyperbole.

How often does a lightie kill a lightie? By my count, about as often as it takes for a lightie to ruin his reputation repeatedly, and then spend years actively fighting every effort and opportunity to restore it. I think that's valid RP right there, and completely fulfills Dulrik's "rarely, if ever" caveat of scrupulous. No matter how hyperbolic you scream and how loud you get, lighties aren't going around spam-killing other lighties like cupcakes at a fatty convention.This isn't some, within the past 3 days thing. This is weeks, and months, of BS building up. Just get over the fact that the RP is valid, and there's no reason to be making it rain curses.

The problem with what Sargas said is that the IMMs come in from an OOC perspective and educate the player, punish, talk to, and convert to the side of being a Good Player™. That's one facet of the system. The problem is that Sargas, the God of War, IC'ly isn't going to come down and get said player's back and tell everyone to step off. He also can't tell every character to forget what had happened IC'ly. Bad RP has repercussions in character, unfortunately. This is one of them. To call characters IC'ly acting on this bad RP is inappropriate, even if it is killing the perpetrator of said bad RP.

Punishing characters for acting upon the RP presented to them, even if it is cursable/bad RP, is the second wrong that doesn't make a right. Sometimes, people just have to deal with the consequences.

Muktar, I'd tell you to stop emailing me, too. Or I'd auto-forward them to a trash container. You're a victim of the boy who cried wolf mentality. You get all twisted in your undies over the slightest potential issues (which aren't issues), so that when you do bring a valid complaint to light, nobody listens. You have no one to blame for that but yourself.

PS: I'm sorry, but I don't get why everyone keeps saying the western 3 or whatever. If you think Tari has bad RP, I'm going to laugh in your face. OA can be an obnoxious human being, but to call his RP bad is absolutely laughable.

Just to be clear, I can make a anti-crusader, crusader and mark everyone that I deem as not following the light, as my char sees it, label them as corrupt, then gank them.

Actually, I think the Ardith team has probably ganked more lighties in their current char's life than everyone else has in the last 5 years. Jerinx, you haven't seen the emails and if you have, it started with the first one, where he told me no, lighties killing lighties happen, no punishment needed. nxs is still holding over his ooc dislike for Reinald from when he played Kaim. I haven't heard about the leadership of Taslamar being kicked because they can't reign in Tolene and Tari. Didn't see Taslamar kick Maelgrim out of Taslamar because he was wanted in Zhensh. The amount of hypocrisy of the situation would be hilarious if I didn't care about this game.

People here are more mature than you expect them to be. nxs doesn't hold grudges, except over bash. You didn't really see what happened last night if you think this is all the case and it wasn't completely valid IC'ly.

I'm not interested in posting logs on it. What's done is done. But this whole reigning people in or whatever...you don't know Taslamar's laws if you expect what you wanted to happen, to happen. The issue here is what's written, IC'ly, for Zhenshi lawmen to do. And that a character spent IC years avoiding it.

You could do what you proposed, Muktar, but you'd get cursed to trash without logs to prove why your char thinks they're corrupt. That's the issue here. There's validity behind what's happening, you're just winging out random fallacies a la "if you let [REDACTED] people get married, suddenly dogs will marry cats, do YOU WANT THAT?"

Why is it the "Ardith team"? Many of these characters are completely independent of my character, actually, all of them are, since I don't roll around with other players in a group to make [REDACTED] easier.

Obviously you are just obsessive over me.

There is no team Ardith. There is only I in Ardith.

No Jerinx, as I stated the only people I would hunt were those that my char could say are corrupt. For instance the Ardith company I can say they have all be corrupted by Sargas and Algorab due to how they are alright with murdering other people, and their use of diplomacy is through fear and intimidation. There is my RP to kill Ardith and company. They are corrupt! Also, while I don't know the specific laws, peacekeepers have made it clear that they won't harbor criminals.

I like the part where Muktar thinks he can actually pk people.

Hey, I never said I would be successful!

I can think of two lighties: Reinald and Genjis. Genji's probably wasn't deserved, Reinald's definitely was. I find it very depressing that even after valid RP with jerinx, Finney is going to eat a curse. I don't think he deserves one in this instance.

Jennbo, Imma let you finish, but Ciadel was the worst non-lighty lighty of all time and if I had ever decided on Pilnor that the proper response to him was betrayal and murder I'd have rightfully eaten a curse myself.