Shattered Kingdoms

You're right, DA. Magma is OP.

Wait, sorry, that's not what I meant to say.

You're right, Edoras. Dispel magic is totally as deadly as charm person and is just as devastating when it lands. I don't know why I didn't notice this before.

As Pilnor I would have been much more concerned about a shaman who spams dispel than a sorc who spams charm. That is because Pilnor had plenty of options available to him to completely screw over sorcs. If you think that somehow my saying that means that I think dispel magic is in every case more dangerous than charm person, then you're the one channeling Dark-Avenger, not me.

There are some circumstances, sure, where spamming charm person is better than casting dispel, but in the vast majority of even those instances there is a better or comparable spell or skill that could be used instead. There are a million things that sorcs can use which do not have a 2-round cast time and are a better chance of success than charm person.

The only reason that charm person is stupid right now is because of the fact that recall brings your charmees with you. That's just dumb. I think the rest of the spell is fine, because I haven't seen any testing, including my own (of which I did a lot), that indicates that the charm person save is bugged.

That's a good point, Edoras. Like how if you're an elf with 50 willpower but no other enchantments or buffs, and a Giant has you spam-bashed, you'd probably be more worried about someone spamming hellfire on you than someone spamming charm person at you.

I'm not sure what this has to do with our discussion, but I'm pretty sure that it supports your main thesis that charm person is fine as it is.

lol, wtf is wrong with Eddy.

My main thesis is that charmies do not need to recall with the charmer, and it will be fine. My hellion got charmed by casts from PCs a grand total of once, and he was at constant war with Ealuriel: And that was before they nerfed sorcs too.

Pilnor could have beaten the trash out of any sorc, especially one so bad that his main move was charm person and recall: And he wouldn't have bothered attacking one in defending territory any more than he would have bothered attacking Keleza in the moot, because he was a freaking mercenary and not a swashie or other caster. If it takes you more than 3-4 rounds to either neutralize a sorc or force them to go ethereal in a group battle, then you're doing it wrong and you're probably going to lose. If, however, you play against a sorc correctly, then you're going to put him on the defensive before the first 4 rounds of combat are over, and that means that if he's spamming charm person he's going to die, or otherwise he's going to go ethereal or recall.

Neither of you play, so both of you should shut up.

Charm person should not target PCs, and enchant armor should be able to target enchantment type with a diminished rate of success.

Go home, trolls.

I'm pretty sure if I stopped posting, I'd end up being productive in the real world, and we can't have that, can we, nightwing?

I'm sorry I never had a character who was enemies with you, or this is when I'd mention how I PKed you at some point in the distant past.

And just because I don't play doesn't mean I can't argue on the forums. You agree with what I'm arguing for, so I don't know why your panties are all knotted up.

I think I am actually going to stop giving serious responses to Edoras, though. There's no point, and it's not like there's anyone who agrees with him. I won this argument before it even started because I was just repeating something jhorleb said in the past, and that guy is always correct.

Jhorleb's priest got wtfpwnt by Pilnor. So go ahead, place your bet. It is kind of annoying that you keep restating my opinion as something which it isn't though.

I will admit that this is getting to the point where I can't even guess at what's going on inside your brain.

I love that dispel never got mentioned as being awesome until I wtfpwnt Pilnor with it twice.

(FYI. Someone who didn't design their character around cabal abilities, and didn't use a dispellable weapon would not get raped so hard by dispel magic. HoL has its upsides like free energy weapon with ridiculous damage. And its down sides. Like getting dispelled.)