Shattered Kingdoms

Nope! And we are continuing Baldric's reign as forum topic dictator apparently!

Final strike and voodoo baby.

A failed cast of final strike should result in the same ending as a successful final strike for the user. Voodoo should return equal damage to the shaman.

The problem with removing final strike or voodoo is the absolute irrelevance of it. It might make an interesting RP quirk for one or two people, but fundamentally it'll be so negligible of impact that it can be ignored. Now, granted - people should be doing this for the RP itself and not because of some wedge made because an important skill is being impacted. However, there can be a fire under some people if something more readily used is available - see "Locate Object" or "enchant armor".

A great storm comes, and your magical ability to see anywhere through locate is impaired.

A dead god comes back to conquer Pyrathia in a final gesture, and takes out those who have the mortal scrying ability to detect his movements and weaponry. Or the power to magically guard themselves via magical imbuement.

Ecoterrorists who think magic ruined the realm go an assassinate those who teach magical imbuements that can corrupt otherwise pure things, etc.

By an effort of the above to keep people more intimated with the realm and forcefully attuned with nature, fly trainers are taken out in an attempt to keep people on the ground and thus familiar with it and the corruption happening to it.

Etc, etc, etc.

Just a reminder that none of this is going to change actual coding of skills or spells. We are talking about adding or removing the ability to train with specific NPC teachers.

There are a lot of trainers in some kingdoms that are redundant for some classes.

Taking out Final Strike from trainer lists would be nice, but not a significant change since no one really uses it anyway. The same goes for voodoo.

Need an advanced trainer for Cone of Cold locks. It used to be Aze the Frost Giant, don't know who it is now since he doesn't train locks anymore.

Please normalize basic trainers for Apprentice and lower spells/skills to at least good in all kingdoms. Even though the mentor system exists, there are not always mentors available for new players. Only getting to average or fair for low level spells/skills makes for significant discouragement for new players and most advanced trainers won't train you until you get to a minimum of good.

Reduce the cost of Apprentice and lower spells/skills to under 1g for all trainers.

Lightie shamans need better access to malediction trainers without having to wander into the North or East. Most of the maledictions taught in Lightie areas only take the spells to average at best. Some don't even teach them at all. Lightie shamans also need trainers for sleep in more lightie favorable areas, both basic and advanced trainers.

Add advanced trainers for endurance.

Normalize gold cost for skills/spells if more than one trainer teaches the spell, are located in the same kingdom and are either basic or advanced trainers of the skills/spells. Meaning if 2 trainers teach steal to good and are in the same kingdom, they both charge the same price for each session.

So, the spectrum here is, what? Voodoo and Final Strike "go extinct" or get taught at Kytar?

Yeah, I know it's all skill trainers...but each reason would atleast validate both some bigger RP, and why trainers would suddenly fail to use it. Only a few heroic people can (some bs reason to keep using the skill), but when they're gone...they're gone. The thing about this change though is with the high turnover rate of characters, any skills you remove would be toast in a generation (especially the ones above jman)

If they're going to remove voodoo or final strike, they should also remove it from our skill/spell sets. No reason to taunt us with spells we can't learn.

I don't care about final strike, but I thought voodoo added moxie to the game.

I was kinda looking forward to seeing what voodoo was like. *sniff*