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PostPosted: Sun Mar 28, 2010 1:04 pm 
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Syn does not have the skill or expertise that certain players of the playerbase do with computers and programming to fully automate a character like Ruud or Sithara have.


I still want a trigger to highlight bashes/trips/etc. :cry:


That isn't a trigger, it's a gag and echo, unless Zmud has changed where it'll now color different messages sent to your client.


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I get to teach Syn how to use a gag?

The wheel certainly turns, now doesn't it?

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We have never before differentiated the use of a trigger from a bot. Several members of the staff including myself saw this as something less. The player's own public admission of the trigger led someone else to pass it along to me. I will not stand by idly while players brag about breaking rules. Syndal was more than understanding and willing to accept the punishment I gave when I quoted her post. Syndal could have avoided punishment by not posting logs or public admissions.


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We have never before differentiated the use of a trigger from a bot.

Yes, you have. Several of the auto commands are just the same as triggers thanks, and they are built into the game. Plus basic triggers that occasionally automated stultifying tasks have always been allowed before now. There is a difference between using a trigger now and again, and botting where you're not at the keyboard.


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I'm going to only say this once more before I lose my ability to be polite about it.


A trigger, in and of itself, is not illegal. A trigger is a client-side function that is executed when the client detects some matching information from the MUD.


A trigger's function can include sending information back to the MUD if so programmed.


Triggers that send information to the MUD without an identifiable first cause of player input are categorically denied and have a clearly defined zero tolerance policy.

The problem here is that the term "trigger" is used by those who aren't well versed in the magical ways of programming to refer to what is, in fact, but one of the many potential things a trigger can do.

Perhaps it would be more easily understood if you were to use the words "the automated sending of data from a client to the MUD" whenever you think the word "trigger" as you seem to presently.

The automatic sending of data from a client to the MUD with an identifiable first cause of MUD data instead of player input can get you deleted when you're caught no matter what your excuse is. I say when, not if, for a reason.

Auto loot is not a banned trigger because auto loot is not an automated sending of data from a client to the MUD.

Get it?

Ugh.


There are so many wonderful things you can do without having to whine about losing easy mode. Please, for the love of all that is holy, stop.


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We have never before differentiated the use of a trigger from a bot.

Yes, you have. Several of the auto commands are just the same as triggers thanks, and they are built into the game. Plus basic triggers that occasionally automated stultifying tasks have always been allowed before now. There is a difference between using a trigger now and again, and botting where you're not at the keyboard.

I think what you're missing is that the use of triggers to send data to the mud is illegal. Now and again or full on botting, if your client sends data when you're not sending the command by some action of your own, this is against the rules. We've never been in a position to catch someone using a butcher trigger. However a player bragged about the use of triggers. This called for punishment. Do others use them every day without getting deleted or penalized? I believe so. Does that make it allowable? No. Why did Syndal get caught? She posted the following line somewhere where a player could see it:

Syndal's post on that log site wrote:
rofl at my butcher trigger


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Uh, Achernar, you just opened a whole new [REDACTED] can of worms, if you're going to punish people based on comments from other websites.

Do we really want to go there? :wink:


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