Shattered Kingdoms

So am I required now to read the other forum now to know that?

Anyway, I did a small search of Dulrik's posts there and I found something even funnier.



Anyway, let's get back on topic. I still wait to see Dulrik's views on taunt.

Dulrik isn't into enabling people, least of all you.

If he replies I'll laugh at his naivety for playing into your tantrum.

If Dulrik doesn't reply to make things clear, how can he expect people to follow such guidelines on things that he leaves vague and open to interpretation of each individual player?

So where is your reply Dulrik? I'm sure you have seen this thread(you have made other posts at least), and I'm not exactly asking about rocket science here.

PS: Aren't you busy cheating by taking 2 law NPCs into your char's group again and go out to PK?

Taunt is completely differant from charm in my opinion. Charm takes control of another characters thought process, where taunt just pisses someone off and makes them want to fight you. No where does taunt take over your thought process, and your ability to think twice about your actions and leave the fight.

Should people break out of charms? No, they don't control their minds.

Should people break out of taunts? Yes, after a couple rounds of combat someone should be able to figure out that this wasn't a good idea and leave.

Troll away DA.

So is taunt working as you propose fridgeraider or something similar?

No, it does not.

That's why I made this thread, so that the game implementor can share with us his vision on how taunt should work and we can report possible bugs to get them fixed. Because if we believe what taunt is according to Achernar or Ain for example(random imms that I talked with about taunt), then taunt is certainly not working properly on several occassions. And being silent and not talking only adds to the confusion in the game where everyone interprets what taunt is in his own way and destroys the game experience for players(of both sides).

Please Dulrik, clear the confusion that is created with taunt's RP and mechanics about it.

It seems nothing works as intended in your game.

PS: Mini game: find the missing sarcasm tags.

I said "in my opinion" what more do you want? I never said that's how it is.

If I troll away, would you have such a chance to express your opinion now? Or other players?

So, once again, I'm not trolling. I'm trying to have an intelligent discussion about mechanics in the gameplay section(that's what we do here, remember?).

Several players have expressed their opinion so far, some failed the intelligence check and emoted facepalms etc, but Dulrik or any other imm hasn't replied yet.

Who knows, they might prefer to leave things open to player interpretation and abuse than getting them fixed, right? If so, can some imm please send me a PM and verify this so I can take it to full extent into the game?

A large part of my disagreement on many subjects is the fact I see things as black or white with a geometrically defined line separating the two. As the line is only one-dimensional, grey doesn't exist. I can agree there are a multitude of scenarios sufficiently close to the line where a closer examination is required.

Erevan's example of etherealform being a tactic to avoid taunt being equivalent to self-deafness to avoid bardic songs does need some examination. Bardic songs can aid you, annoy you or hurt you but cannot necessarily influence your decision-making skills. As such, you are still free to decide to do what it takes to no longer hear the songs. Insofar as self-deafening being a pre-event tactic, there may be a correlation with eth-to-avoid-taunt. In that circumstance, the char must be of sufficiently low-grade intelligence/wisdom/mental durability, take your pick, that receiving a taunt while eth will not cause you to want to drop eth. (And no, I don't know the mechanics to know what happens in that game situation.) If you're going to roleplay your char like that, you'll also roleplay the negative side of it whenever situations arise. That includes the fountain-rp events. But eth-to-avoid-taunt cannot be a post-event response.

Someone else referred to a durational situation with taunt. After a couple rounds, you should be able to decide the combat isn't a good idea after all, or that's how I remember the post. I have to say charm is a concentration spell and taunt is a duration skill. The duration is already in place. After a certain duration, you will regain control of your wits. It's already hard-coded.

Songs of dancing, songs of sleeping, what? You want more?

The difference is that they are indeed hard-coded so you either get affected or not, and can not do otherwise.

I'll give you songs of dancing but songs of sleep do not influence decision-making. They make you sleepy.

One little, two little, three little indians.
Four little, five little, six little indians.
Seven little, eight little, nine little indians.
Ten little indian girls.

Chances are, if you've heard that old ditty, the tune gets stuck in your head and causes you to sing or hum it. Decision-making skills tampered with. But you can just as easily substitute something else in its place.

The difference with taunt is your decision-making skills have been eroded enough that all you want is to straighten the taunter out... for a time.

Disclaimer: This post is for debate purposes only. I will speak out against grey and suchlike but will accept the establishment grey factor.