Shattered Kingdoms

I agree with Sypher on this as well. You should just get the "they're not there" message and stop from using the scroll/wand.

No. That is having your cake (not having to use mana) and eating it too (not losing the scroll).

Following that logic you should be concentrated on casting a spell, and not on a person, and just acid blast the air then, but you don't. You actually "concentrate" to cast spells.

The problem here is you can recite a scroll/zap a wand at a target that does not even exsist. Your casting a spell with no target basically and its wasting the wand/scroll. I do not think it should take a charge or use the scroll WHY you ask? Because technically you shouldn't be able to use that piece of equipment if it requires a target. You can't cast offensive spells with no target why should you be able to with scrolls/wands? I agree with this change have wanted it changed for a long time.

I see it as without a target when actually casting the spell, there is no release of energy towards an unseen target. With a scroll, you are reciting words on a piece of paper. You are releasing the energy whether or not there is anything there.

zap LeBron
You zap your wand.
LeBron isn't here.
Your wand explodes.

Somehow, I don't think LeBron was ever there in the first place. There is no logical reason to be able to zap at someone or something that isn't even there to begin with. The same thing goes with reciting scrolls.

And bringing in unconnected issues is a prime example of logical fallacy.

Sure, and that's what I want fixed.

With scrolls there is no concentration time at all. There's no:

"You start to read a scroll..."
"You finish pronouncing the scroll and unleash the spell..."

Scrolls are instant, the problem is you can target nothing with scrolls, it wasn't like a started reciting the scroll and he walked out of the room mid recite. The problem was my target walked out of the room before the command even registered, and I just recited at air, at no point was the target ever in the room while I was actually reciting the scroll.

To compare it to something similar, if you try to dirt kick something that's not there, you don't simply kick dirt into the air, you get a "They aren't here" message. Scrolls/wands should be the same way.

EDIT: Pushing40 just made the same point I made. He just did it quicker. I agree Pushing!

Fact remains, we were in the room when you started reading it.

So . . . make it so you can't target nothing? Sure. Make you able to start once you've stopped? No thanks.

I can see the IC reasoning behind keeping it the way it is.

It's oocly frustrating though, so I could also understand why people would want it to be changed.

Essentially this argument will boil down to one between people with lots of scrolls and people with not very many scrolls.

No, no you weren't. Otherwise it would have hit him, scrolls are instant. You were in the room when I entered the command, but not when the mud actually registered it.

Seeing as how scrolls have no casting time the second point you brought up is exactly what I'm pushing for.