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PostPosted: Sat Jan 19, 2008 9:51 pm 
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I don't think anyone thought about pompous mercenaries who pretended to be knights and wanted to be overlords of anything when the concept of Dulrik was introduced but that didn't stop anyone from doing it. People will be people after all.


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Hey, if you wanted to keep that finger you would have said so to begin with or learned to punch harder.

Ironically Yagher was responsible for one and Jager for the other. Wow.


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I don't mix music and MUD personally, but upon considering --

Song for Marfik's flock: Spy vs. Spy - Hooligan (apologies for the ads)

Any diabolic character's theme: Nick Cave & The Bad Seeds - Red Right Hand


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PostPosted: Sun Jan 20, 2008 12:39 am 
Jardek wrote:
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Oh come on, mine wasn't worse than his.

I see we're going back to the ol' favouritism days I did so adore.


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Yeah, I didn't see anything wrong with your post.






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Alshain wrote:
I don't mix music and MUD personally, but upon considering --

Song for Marfik's flock: Spy vs. Spy - Hooligan (apologies for the ads)

Any diabolic character's theme: Nick Cave & The Bad Seeds - Red Right Hand


Did you mean to post this somewhere else? :o


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Jardek wrote:
Jardek wrote:
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Oh come on, mine wasn't worse than his.

I see we're going back to the ol' favouritism days I did so adore.


I saw the original post when it was PM'd to Alshain and myself with a complaint about it being explicit. While the content of your twisted quote was factually accurate, other people don't know the history and were offended by it. For that matter, the original event also offended people and is one of the things that prompted the introduction of the Terms of Service. Your comment could also be construed as violating the Terms of Service, so be happy it was only removed.


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PostPosted: Sun Jan 20, 2008 3:57 pm 
Dulrik wrote:
Your comment could also be construed as violating the Terms of Service, so be happy it was only removed.


Jeez, now who sounds like they have 'lawyer training'. Looking through the ToS though, I can only assume you refer to s5(b) of the terms:

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(You agree not to use the service) to transmit any Content that is unlawful, harmful, threatening, abusive, harassing, tortuous, defamatory, vulgar, obscene, libellous, invasive of another’s privacy, hateful, or otherwise objectionable, nor may you use a misspelling or an alternative spelling to circumvent the content and language restrictions listed above;


Looking through that in detail, the content is not unlawful, threatening, abusive, harassing, tortuous, defamatory, vulgar, libellous, invasive of another's privacy, or hateful, so let's get those out of the way right now. That leaves us with 'harmful', 'obscene', and 'otherwise objectionable'.

Looking at the ordinary definitions of those three words:

Obscene wrote:
ob·scene /əbˈsin/ Pronunciation Key - Show Spelled Pronunciation[uhb-seen] Pronunciation Key - Show IPA Pronunciation
–adjective 1. offensive to morality or decency; indecent; depraved: obscene language.
2. causing uncontrolled sexual desire.
3. abominable; disgusting; repulsive.


Rape is an abominable thing, it's true. It's all of the above (except number two). Discussing an RP that occured which included rape, I would suggest, is not.

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harm·ful /ˈhɑrmfəl/ Pronunciation Key - Show Spelled Pronunciation[hahrm-fuhl] Pronunciation Key - Show IPA Pronunciation
–adjective causing or capable of causing harm; injurious: a harmful idea; a harmful habit.


Was what I said, a one-line throwaway comment, and moreover a discussion of an RP, capable of causing harm? Is it injurious? I would imagine that any reasonable adult would not be harmed by mention of the word 'rape', especially in the vague manner I used it. I note that your ToS states in s2(b) that people agreeing to the ToS must be at least 18 years of age. I note that the mud itself includes recuring themes such as cannibalism and murder, and must therefore conclude that the reasonable person is equally equipped to deal with what I mentioned.

objectionable wrote:
ob·jec·tion·a·ble /əbˈdʒɛkʃənəbəl/ Pronunciation Key - Show Spelled Pronunciation[uhb-jek-shuh-nuh-buhl] Pronunciation Key - Show IPA Pronunciation
–adjective 1. causing or tending to cause an objection, disapproval, or protest.
2. offending good taste, manners, etiquette, propriety, etc.; offensive: objectionable behavior.


Here's the clincher. I assume that this 'otherwise objectionable' clause is what you were really getting at, and to be fair, what I wrote obviously did cause an objection - however ridiculous that objection was, and however cowardly that they didn't feel they could mention it aloud.

That being said, just about anything anybody writes is objectionable to some people in some manner. I could complain about any post and that post would immediately violate this part of the ToS. It'll be interesting to see what kind of interpretation this gets in future.

Why did I write all that? I find it interesting. If you don't, complain away.


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