Shattered Kingdoms

Backstabbing someone in heavy armor usually ends up with them fighting you, unless you immedialty flee after the backstab or your not alone.

Sure, getting the scrolls is easy, if you know where they are, and even if they are there.

If you get bashed after a backstab, your usually dead. Rogues don't take damage all that great.

Master of the dagger. The dagger. The weapon of parrying masters. Enhanced parry? Surely not!

There is only four scrolls in the game that I know of that can hurt a heavy armor class that much. The one that there isn't only ONE of doesn't work inside. Make more scrolls then. *shrug*

Rogues 101: If you're completely (emphasis!) alone, don't expect to backstab an equal level heavy warrior and then win out somehow. They're obviously going to annihilate you even if you're all buffed up and land the dual bs.

Hey, I'm all for giving rogues enhanced parry. Mostly because I'm playing a rogue. However, I don't think it will have much of an impact at all on the rogue class... which is why it seems kind of pointless to me. In the above situation, you'd still probably lose. The bottom line is that rogues frankly don't have any place in the front row soloing mercs any more than battlepriests or bards do.

You must want to kill someone pretty badly. Realize this is also about balance... keep in mind how good rogues are at killing people who AREN'T covered in metal. Though once again, I would never recommend hanging out in the front row.

Granted, it has been a while since I've played a rogue, but unless there have been some pretty major changes to the class or other classes since then, rogues are just fine. If you put the time into preparation, you can do surprisingly well against fighters 1v1. Hell, my rogue could 1v1 most swashies I fought against without a pet. Every class on SK has a different way it needs to be played to be most effective. If you can't adapt to pk with your class, I'd suggest either picking a new class or avoiding pk.

I'm a lil confused, you're saying the scrolls you need to defeat heavy armor classes are easy to get but you'd also like to beat them one on one without them. Sounds like you just want an overpowered class with no equal. And here's a lil question for you about the parrying mastery of daggers, How does one parry a Great Axe/Warhammer/Flail/Claymore with a punny lil dagger?

Answer: You don't, you dodge the blow or lose your arm.

If you're a rogue and you allow your target to be able to bash you, you're an idiot. Deal with it.

Rogues are superg killers as they stand right now.

I said the opposite. They are HARD to get. Usually someone else has them. Unless I spend about 10 hours a day on the game, about anything worth having is hard to get. It's not about killing a heavy armor class, it's about being able to stand a few more hits to better run away realy.

I'm not asking for a change to help me flat out KILL a merc, (you can do it without scrolls already, as long as they don't get in that bash/bash/bash.) And rogues will never kill barbs unless they get lucky as hell or again, spam scroll reciting.

Enhanced parry would make rogues die a few rounds later when in a melee situation with Mercs/Barbs/Paladins/Hellions.

It's not like a merc or a swashy should be able to parry a greatsword or greataxe either, why not remove enhanced parry from them? Unless they use a weapon capable of parry two handed weapons realisticly.



Why not? As long as its not a counterstriking barb. My rogue killed quite a few heavy armor mercs with multiple backstabs. Stunned alot of them too. They also missed their bashes. (Yay for me.) Just don't expect to do it in one backstab.

And your not really an idiot for doing anything in this game...

Go away.

Mud will never die when we have Peso around..... wait I must be drunk.

There is only one scroll that a rogue ever needs to kill anyone.

blindness scroll

Every dual backstab doesn't go off.
Every scroll doesn't go off.
In these scenarios, enhanced parry (i think it would be better than a specialization in a dagger subtype really) would give you an extra round or two to flee.

If a rogue gets bashed or tripped by an experienced player, it's over. You're usually dead before the bashed/tripped lag ends and you can quaff a word of recall potion. If this isn't the case, the rogue should go back and kill the other player.




I'm requoting this to point out the annihilate part which is why I think rogues need something like enhanced parry.

Also, I like to kill people with a rogue in a dark alley, completely alone. Pets are great to use as a tool. I just don't think a rogue should have to depend on one all the time to survive.