Shattered Kingdoms

Is this guy serious?

You're seriously a dingbat. Let me explain why:



1) You claim you can't play a true diabolic on SK. Thus you state the diabolic alignment is impossible to play properly. You also claim that this is perfectly OK. So, you state that the diabolic alignment is broken on SK. But that's ok.

So, a diabolic-oriented cabal, by that extension can not be played properly. Gotcha.

2) You then go to on to state something about limited equipment and other garbage. You're again, flaming and slandering with lies. I wore nothing but scared armor.

3) I wasn't a diabolic aligned character, correct, so I didn't rp the cabal as completely diabolic. A lot of the RP that occurred was because my character was unwillingly to lie, cheat, be backhanded about a lot of things. Have to remember though, the 1st leader isn't the whole cabal, as well.

So I have no idea where you're going with this.

4) I don't want the fist 'nerfed' by making them a non-light aura cabal, but more of a light-gray aura cabal (like MC is a dark-gray cabal). I think it's only fair. However, the adepts and the hammer both should not have to rely on support from other cabals to properly compete. The hammer don't have this issue because of its large melee-base. The adepts are a priest/mage cabal. Explain to me how you can do that.

5) I failed. Oh noes. I failed the cabals and the imms disbanded it. Is that what you're saying?

*chuckles* You're so ignorant. I give reasonable, logical, game BENEFITING advice and you flame me for LOL U FAILED the ADEPTS.

You realize, right, I didn't even start my character wanting to be an adept, and I accepted it both as an ic choice (my character's power bent) and my own want to try to help the cabal out after criticising them. Shortly after accepting leadership, the cabal surged to double numbers and begin to put everyone on the defensive. It didn't last, naturally, as because the system is broke.

Imms have recognized this and agreed to make changes as per my request and input along with the rest of the members of the cabal. So, no, you don't know what you're talking about. I also did all this without the aid of another active, progressive leader most of the time.

So if I failed as a "player" then oh well, don't ever give me leadership. If I failed ICly, well, that's part of the story, now isn't it? Not -everyone- can win, you goober.

My question is this: Why, from an IC and OOC perspective, does there need to be parity between the factions, Grakus? I really dont have a problem with there being many lightie factions and few darkie factions.

I didnt have a problem with that when I was playing my MC. Why do you? You played a very successful, if short lived, adept character. In spite of warring with everyone and the MC, you still managed to hold on to two relics. MC has held all six relics on numerous occasions. I cant recall a lighty cabal ever holding all six relics. Perhaps five, but not six.

Actually, after several requests to aid the adepts as Delear, I've decided to involve myself to CRS for the first time and take back their relic. When I asked for something in return, my request was turned down with no serious consideration(to what i know) and was treated with unexpected arrogance and disrespect...So instead I supported the fists on keeping the damn thing.

So basically, in case they got their relic back, I would personally claim and hand it back to the fists and if I managed to get leadership to the north, they would get instantly deported.

Why? Because...

If they could turn down open offers to have their relic back almost instantly and turn their back to potential allies, they obviously don't need or care for any, let it be allies or relic.


PS. That wasn't long before Vorak's time as their leader, which means they have been missing their relic for long already.

Something that may aid the Adept as a cabal would be giving a boost to their abilities, namely making them take less art to use effectively. Some of the spells could potentially be very useful for a non-spell caster, but due to the need of a great deal of art to make them work, they just aren't useful for most players. Make them more effective, maybe even use less mana.

Darkies don't have to work together as per alignment, they are supposed to fight each other as per alignment. Thusly, the odds are stacked.

Plus, the mud has -way- WAY WAY more lighties than darkies. More factions, more power combinations = unfair odds.



I was very, very successful until Dulrik code-wimped my cabal and players into non-existence. I used huge necromancer armies to make up for the lack of PC tanks. When those were gone, Dulrik further responded by nerfing cabal skills, which further reduced interest.

I had problems keeping meleers, who are bread and butter in CRS. Dulrik has yet to understand the difficulty in leading a priest/mage only cabal and has actually told me personally I should have adepts ally and submit, which flies in the face of his own damn helpfiles and cabal set.

MC has all classes, plus its a cabunal and has the largest faction base typically. Adepts really shouldn't have a relic, nor should the FIST, but that's a whole other issue.

The adepts thing is being taken care of, I stepped down as leader to help support and facilitate that change (IE I believed in it enough to not gain benefit from it).

It's the FIST cabal I'd like to see change to better suit the IC world. CRS is only a part of it, I feel the entire concept of the FIST is meaningless in SK where they PK all the time. I mean you have a Hammer mark 2 when they are in Menegroth and Krychire every other week. If I were the patron imm, I'd have liquidated that cabal and instated people who would at least act like pacifists.

But, pacifism is NOT a lightie virtue in SK as well. It's a gray, selfish virtue. Hence my suggestion it become a light-gray cabal. Dulrik, the patron god really, preachers no quarter, no mercy to evil and to strike them down wherever they exist. Now, while I consider the Dulrik religion to be a bit silly and the ic god to be on par with Ain in its appeal to me (and the fact I don't like Dulrik refusing to change his ic god's name even when he doesn't play him because its out of line with the rest of the pantheon), it does point out how out of place the FIST cabal is in comparison to the rest of the realms.

Even the druids support order, which is a fistie ideal...so really, I don't quite comprehend the need for the entire cabal as a lightie organization. It really should be a light-gray cabal. Otherwise, as I said, they are now nothing more than a hammer when it comes down to it.

Now, I know why you think the way you do. You assume too much. I will go back to what I said before. You can't or don't want to understand the Fistie goals. Yes, I see your point about darkie cabals getting outnumbered. Tough, deal with it. Just to let you in on a secret. Everyone has a laundry list of things that they don't think is fair about SK. The smart people just choose which battles to fight. Also, how can anyone take you seriously when you say, "I'm not gonna post again." When you do the complete opposite. When you are really ready to learn what the Fistie goals are instead of being blinded by pure hatred because you got your but kicked several times by them, I bet you finally understand.

Druids also support change, which is not really a fistie ideal

So let's assume that the Fist somehow for some reason becomes a gray based cabal. What consequences will that have on the balance in SK?

All you need is a dark-based leadership happening in Druids (something that has been the case more often than a lightie-based leadership) and the balance shifts completely, leaving the Hammer as a stand-alone cabal much like you claim Adepts to be right now. The Adepts are still going to be unchanged in their role and we'll have a bunch of grey and darkie-wannabe cabals.

Maybe you have something else in mind as a result that simply eludes me.

Hey, learn to read, seriously, it gets old when you continually post things COMPLETELY out of context.



My 'butt' kicked several times? Are you so dense? Blind hatred? Over a damn cabal? Man, you are such a dimwit. Seriously. Why would I complain about a -cabal- if I got my 'butt kicked' by a group of players? A group of players whose relic I could had numerous times if the imms reinstated their's when I still had a cabal full of willing necros, as opposed to the zero necros that exist today (that's a hint, Dulrik).

So, perhaps you should say I should have blind hated for Dulrik instead, since I got my 'butt kicked' by the code changes? Seriously, you're just posting [REDACTED] and slander at this point. Go away.



I want to make it so hammer/adepts are the only cabals with 'pure' intentions for light or dark. This way, the fist can swing back and forth, so can the druids, the harlies, and the MC (the mc is pure gray, has been always, never an 'evil' cabal, they may use evil methods, but it's all gray, no one, not even Dulrik can debate that, because there's a difference between adept-evil and mc-"evil" -- their goals aren't even the same and to suggest they should ally is asinine.)

Should a dark druids arise, the fist will be a gray cabal, but a gray cabal dedicated to peace. The druids start causing too much [REDACTED], taking down the Hammer and raiding cities (IE gaal style) and the fist step in and ruin them with the Hammer.

Or, let's say a gray/lightie (which is more likely in druid history, a gray leader), comes to power and aids Hammer in dropping Adepts like a rock and spreading conflict to the MC -- the Fist steps in and knocks Hammer or druids down and forces peace. This is the REAL ideal of the fist cabal. Only intervening for peace.

Keeping them a light aura cabal prevents them from stopping the Hammer or any lightie group from aggression.

An other counter to this is to make druids accept the use of necromancy and bloodmagic (which they actually have used repeatedly in the past).

I'd much rather see the FIST move gray though and become like true peace enforcers. It makes -no- sense to me why we have another Hammer who will do the same [REDACTED] the hammer does.

Ive been giving this a bit of thought although I havent posted here much. A lot of people do not understand the alignment system here and still think gray = neutral on good evil axis of a different alignment system they are simply put incorrect. This alignment system is a completely different. Read each of the help files and get a basic understanding of each one.
I thought I would go though each alignment and pick out where the perfect ideals of each cabal ends up. This is what I came up with.

Principled -- good = Fist. Do what is right because it is right not because its always the best plan.

Scrupulous -- good = Hammer. Do what is right by any means we can use to get there.

Unprincipled -- selfish = Druids. Leave well enough alone unless it effects us (necromancer hate)

Anarchist -- selfish = Harlequins. Lets do what I feel like right now regardless.

Aberrant -- evil = Midnight. Follow my orders or face the consequences. The other side of the coin to the hammer.

Miscreant -- evil
Diabolic -- evil

I dont really know enough of the blood adepts mission to put it into an alignment group but I would say they were meant to be Miscreant how ever ended up Diabloic. If they are miscreant over diabloic then people can make peace with them.

On a side note Grakus what you are describing the Fists as is actually the principled alignment not a gray alignment at all.

I recognize that, Silmar, but the players can't follow through with this. so it's a broken, unreachable goal that should be always achieved.

The only difference between principled and scrupulous is a hair thin, and I can make up any sort of bs to justify the FIST invading and conquering Krychire to "liberate it and once and for all stop all the enslavement and trouble they cause."

I can also justify the fist -spam- killing anyone in Teron, gray or dark because they serve chaos and not order. Erevan and Ardith do it all the time.

However, what the fist can't do is kill another light aura -- and that's the problem here. They need to be able to relic gank and enforce peace amongst lighties. Else, they can't do their job and it's only a half-purposeful cabal.

It's there, in my belief, to stop evil from dominating the mud. Not to actually give balance.