Principled alignment

Cyra · **Joined:** Sat Aug 24, 2002 6:56 am **Posts:** 1858

Grakus wrote:

Here's a question, Cyra, just curious:

How did you get the items you carry (some of which are off grey aura mobiles) if you did not kill the NPC/stun it or none of your allies did either? Accepting an ill gotten item is the same as doing it yourself.

I'm not calling you out, just trying to understand how principled chars can get grey aura items.

Look at Linarumien, who has a twisted copper staff and a few other items which I know come off grey aura mobiles. How did she come into possession of those if she or one of her allies obtain it?

None of my items are from gray aura NPCs.

Grakus · **Posted:** Fri Jun 22, 2007 3:06 pm

Cyra wrote:

Grakus wrote:

Here's a question, Cyra, just curious:

How did you get the items you carry (some of which are off grey aura mobiles) if you did not kill the NPC/stun it or none of your allies did either? Accepting an ill gotten item is the same as doing it yourself.

I'm not calling you out, just trying to understand how principled chars can get grey aura items.

Look at Linarumien, who has a twisted copper staff and a few other items which I know come off grey aura mobiles. How did she come into possession of those if she or one of her allies obtain it?

None of my items are from gray aura NPCs.

So you've -never- had any item not previously owned by a grey aura mobile?

I mean, if someone were to audit your pfile holdings over the last month, we wouldn't find a -single- item belonging to a gray aura?

Erevan · **Posted:** Fri Jun 22, 2007 3:10 pm

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Not tossing dirt. You are, by principle, holding items that were taken from the murdered. A real principled character would return them to their rightful owners.

I don't see you doing that, though, do I?

So off the high horses.

Would he? So that he watches whoever took it from the man to go back and kill them for it again? I think not.

Btw, the twisted copper staff you mentioned comes from a lightie.

ObjectivistActivist · **Posted:** Fri Jun 22, 2007 3:58 pm

Erevan wrote:

Btw, the twisted copper staff you mentioned comes from a lightie.

A lightie you can't request from. :roll:

Grakus · **Posted:** Fri Jun 22, 2007 4:02 pm

No it doesn't. The NPC is even a shopkeeper who doesn't give away things.

And your above argument is full of FAIL. So a police officer who catches a thief with your radio should get to keep it just because he arrested the criminal?

Fail. Fail. Fail. Fail.

If you pick this road, I demand you rid yourself of -everything- you can not request. This includes things you kill darkies for. The eq should be, by principled, buried with the body and/or destroyed.

Or, would actually adhering strictly to what you preach be too much of a burden for you?

God forbid that 'good' on SK has to actually be universal truth good. I'm beginning to quickly see the ooc cultural influence on the IC sk world.

Forsooth · **Joined:** Mon Feb 17, 2003 9:55 pm **Posts:** 1365

This is getting silly, Grakus. You can't return items taken from murdered people to their owners - they're dead. And how does character X know where they came from anyway? OOC knowledge?

It's not right to make "principled" mean some ultra-specific set of things. The Dulrikian prig you mentioned earlier is a fine principled character, but so are other concepts. Same here; taking useful gear from a dead foe is not universally forbidden, even though some particular principled character wouldn't do it.

What would be nice is to preserve the differences between scrupulous and principled. However, if a principled character is allowed to murder for material profit, you can't even seperate his alignment from miscreant.

stratford · **Posted:** Fri Jun 22, 2007 8:30 pm

DM and DA go a long way, to answer your question.

Cyra · **Joined:** Sat Aug 24, 2002 6:56 am **Posts:** 1858

Grakus wrote:

Cyra wrote:

Grakus wrote:

Here's a question, Cyra, just curious:

How did you get the items you carry (some of which are off grey aura mobiles) if you did not kill the NPC/stun it or none of your allies did either? Accepting an ill gotten item is the same as doing it yourself.

I'm not calling you out, just trying to understand how principled chars can get grey aura items.

Look at Linarumien, who has a twisted copper staff and a few other items which I know come off grey aura mobiles. How did she come into possession of those if she or one of her allies obtain it?

None of my items are from gray aura NPCs.

So you've -never- had any item not previously owned by a grey aura mobile?

I mean, if someone were to audit your pfile holdings over the last month, we wouldn't find a -single- item belonging to a gray aura?

You're just grasping at straws now.

Jardek · **Posted:** Fri Jun 22, 2007 11:53 pm

If I ever play this game again, and I play a light aura character and see an item I want on a grey aura npc, I will kill that npc and take the item. RP is only a very, very limited option when it comes to NPCs, so your interactions are often limited (if you want to have an item they have) to either not getting the item, or killing them to get it. Perhaps if they were capable of more in-depth interaction killings wouldn't occur, but they aren't.

End of story.

Grakus · **Posted:** Sat Jun 23, 2007 12:54 am

Jardek wrote:

If I ever play this game again, and I play a light aura character and see an item I want on a grey aura npc, I will kill that npc and take the item. RP is only a very, very limited option when it comes to NPCs, so your interactions are often limited (if you want to have an item they have) to either not getting the item, or killing them to get it. Perhaps if they were capable of more in-depth interaction killings wouldn't occur, but they aren't.

End of story.

See, Jardek is right.

There's no straw grasping, but if you're going to do something, you do it all the way as a principled character.

If you're willing to take gear from anyone you've murdered, what's the difference between a gray who occasionally commits evil or an evil who always commits it?

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