Shattered Kingdoms

I can't even remember the last person to play principled correctly, Travorn. To many people believe since pallies are put in there that they should act like crusaders from the crusading ages. If that is true. I don't see them committing rape, genocide, and such. So, it is just a tool for them to make an excuse of pk.

Like I said, though, make paladins be scrupulous alignment and then make them take oaths that fit in with the faith that they are being inducted so that they can do these crusades that their faiths are known for. Keep paladins open to principled if they want to play the peacemaker first, but open up scrupulous to them.

I would rather see the help file for principled changed than have paladins be called non-principled. They are warriors blessed by the gods of Light. Anything they do that adheres to the principles of their chosen deity is perfectly fine for a principled character.

Scrupulous characters would be willing to occasionally bend or break their normal principles if doing so would help them accomplish their good intentioned goals. Examples would be hiring an ignoble assassin to take out some evil person or using deception to lure a villain into a trap.

Killing a few gray-aura humanoids is inconsequential as there are plenty of reasons to kill some gray-aura PCs. NPCs just don't respond to RP.

Of course, going into a gray-aura village and knocking out shop keepers and killing children is a different story, but the wandering loaner thug or grays who fight with or serve evil-doers is perfectly fine.

Destroying necromancers, especially when mandated by God is required of a paladin. To deal with one as an ally would certainly push into the Scrupulous or worse category.

theDrifter, that is already allowed under principled. They can kill undead all they want and the person that created them as long as they have sufficient evidence that they can never be repentant. In the case of 99.999999999% of necros, this is a sure thing.

Principled should be re-written because "valuing life" is meaningless in a world where people favored by the gods or the spirits or the elements can be resurrected.

In a world where the eternal soul and the existence and will of the gods is known as a fact that anyone can experience, the salvation of the soul should be more important than the ephemeral "life."
Anyone killed has the capability to pray to the gods or to ask one favored by the gods or spirits or elements to pray on their behalf. Such prayers are likely to be a more powerful influence in changing someone's temperament than having a debate in mortal form.

In the real world, there is not agreement as to what the God or Gods of our world want us to do. There are many theories and some people believe they should simply rely on their own judgment about what is right.

In SK, on the other hand, Gods are visible and their desires are known (and can be made known or changed at any time if the current HF is doing something wrong for example). Thus, following exactly the will of your diety, provided that deity is a force of Good, should be a perfectly valid way of playing principled and the help file should reflect this.

You can, you can play principled and be an Alshanite. People think too hard on how to get around the rules to allow their chars to do whatever the hell they want. I see no issue here.

[edit] I take that back, I can name a good principled pallie. Dayamin.

I don't get it.

I play a principled character now and I've never had to resort to brutalizing some grey aura NPC for a piece of equipment.

Brutalizing a NPC for a piece of equipment is a grey aura behavior. It is selfish.

I don't see the need to stoop to brutalizing them for their equipment, especially when you don't have to.

Alas there is a problem where you end up kicking the [REDACTED] out of some dark aura NPC, and all of his cronies are grey aura. Of course since they're aiding some dick dark aura then they're fair game but whatever.

Here's a question, Cyra, just curious:

How did you get the items you carry (some of which are off grey aura mobiles) if you did not kill the NPC/stun it or none of your allies did either? Accepting an ill gotten item is the same as doing it yourself.

I'm not calling you out, just trying to understand how principled chars can get grey aura items.

Look at Linarumien, who has a twisted copper staff and a few other items which I know come off grey aura mobiles. How did she come into possession of those if she or one of her allies obtain it?

The answer is simple as it is immediate. Loot from PK.

Nice try at tossing dirt, though, grakus

Not tossing dirt. You are, by principle, holding items that were taken from the murdered. A real principled character would return them to their rightful owners.

I don't see you doing that, though, do I?

So off the high horses.