Shattered Kingdoms

Why don't you make a fist and follow that line of RP, then?

I understand its easy to criticize how someone else is following a path to roleplay that you would take a different approach to, but that does not mean your approach to it is any more 'right' than his.

I believe both ways are the 'right' way to play the fist, and don't forget, an organization you're not part of does things you may not be aware of

As for the hammer/fist alliance, there are times we are heavily opposed. At some point, our alliance broke because the hammer was going to attack the empire, and the fist would not be involved in the war.

I would suggest that if you do not enjoy that type of roleplay, do not join the fist, or, join the fist and attempt to change it.

My problem isn't with the current FIST, but more so to the actual purpose of the cabal itself as set down by Dulrik.

I really think that unless the fist can kill lighties when it comes time, that they are not a useful cabal, serving only to keep the game perma-tilted to the light, which is actually a seeming mandate done for some reason? (I have yet to figure out why lighties on this mud are so highly favored by seemingly every one, from every facet of the game, code and build, it maybe because of keeping newbies or some such?)

I really propose the cabal be made an unprincipled cabal, with scrupulous characters and aberrant characters, whose focus is combating chaos and war of all forms, including killing Hammer and Adept both.

It is really, really selfish to wish peace at the cost of allowing evil to live and commit evil acts in their lands, which fits in perfectly with FIST rp of wanting everyone to be hippies and mind their own business.


As it stands, they are nothing more than a Hammer Mark 2. Pretty much when the Hammer gets their [REDACTED] handed to them, the FIST step up and gank darkies. This has been proven time and time and time and time and time and time and time again. They are Hammer. They are just reactive Hammer. They don't stir the shit-pot, but they always get involved and they -always- get involved and trounce the hell out of the darkies because of the unfair odds. Before, it wasn't so much of an issue, the FIST was far more restricted in how they could operate and even to the point where they never invaded any kingdom, only defended.

Nowadays, CRS forces them to invade and on top of it, I've seen FISTies countless times grouped with Hammer and Druids (Fist should be relatively anti-druid, that's another reason they need to be gray, to kill druids - remember, druids believe in conflict as a natural path and order of things). Many of them, such as Yaubl, will say something akin to "I will not crusade into enemy lands." Then accept a group invite and follow them in anyways, but that's OK because they aren't -leading- it.

What type of nonsense is that? Ditch the lightie-loving agenda already and let the fists be gray pacifists who stomp on chaos and disorder in the realms, light or dark alike. Chi, after all, is a balanced energy. I know Zhenshi is the most atrocious insult to any east asian culture (with its mixes, its mistakes, the entire fist theme is out of a bad kung-fu movie etc) I've seen on a mud to date, but this is really taking it head over heals and it has been this way for a decade.

I'm really confused as to why they are considered 'Jedi' yet there isn't a demand that MC be a dark-aura only cabal if Fist is a light only cabal. I don't see Hammer or Fist allowing greys, but I do see greys in MC. Either one way or the other.

And before someone pipes up, yes you can have a peaceful aberrant character. Not -every- aberrant needs to be a hellion.

Uh, what? Is this what all this is about?

Seriously, maybe the lighties have higher numbers at this time, but in all of my experience in SK, i've seen dark prevail again and again.

It may be that lighties are more, but they are limited by ethics and code. Darkies are not. Darkies can go into a city and start killing npcs, sending the lighties tells of 'lol we r killing ur ppl and u r sitting in ur HQ lol', and then the lighties are forced to come out and fight.

Darkies, on the other hand, can just hide forever.

In other words, maybe lighties have numerical advantage, but darkies always did and always will have tactical advantage.

I've never seen that. I've seen lighties hide when they are outnumbered just as darkies do.

Don't use that as an excuse simply because you want to keep your side (you are a lightie-only player) strong. You know as well as I do lighties have the tactical advantage almost everytime nowadays.

Nowdays, yes. The adepts are gone, the harlequins are keeping it low, and the empire is left alone against the horde.

The reason to such? Here's my take on it.

The adepts tried to take everything on their person, openly working towards world destruction. Their attempts to gain allies were all of the form of 'do what I say or face my wrath', and at some point, they wanted to give their relic to the dark gods in order to fulfill a prophecy that would end the world. As a result, they were the target of everyone in pyrathia. Their next leadership , hou, did little to repair their position, and instead of admitting defeat and hiding underground for a while, tried to stir things up again, prove the adepts are strong. Again all of pyrathia stomped on them, so they vanished.

Still, if you look at the world now, you'll see darkies are holding up just fine, even when widely outnumbered. Imagine what would happen if the adepts actualy played smart and made sure they'd have the MC as their ally.

Wait, I thought there was a big complaint about lighties ganking other lighties. Why is there a sudden need to reverse that?

The Fist doesn't have to go about ganking Hammerites just because they disagree with their message. That's absurd.

It's more likely to break down into talks over why the Hammer is so radical versus the more peaceful path that the Fists want to take.

The only reason they come to blows with darkies, is because darkies are unrepentant sons of bitches that have no morals.

You just need to be smart and Kalum-like.

You cannot expect a group to survive alone in SK these days against the entire realm, especialy not when the source of their power is exposed to everyone.

Yes, thran, any group, including a diabolic group, needs backs in order to survive, unless it has some super broken powers that make it extremely unbalanced, in which case, every player and their little sister will flock to it.

Just play smart, plot your dark goals, deceive your allies, never let them know, and get what you want without letting anyone know that it was your purpose. It's not all too hard, but its definately a bigger challenge than 'I AM THE ADEPT LEADER AND I SAY SURRENDER OR DIE. WE ARE HERE TO DESTROY THE WORLD.'

Ahahaha. So because you can't counter the argument to why darkies can't act openly because of the inherent unfairness of the system, you propose that everyone, including hellions, should be lying bastards.

Man, the quality of RP on SK is so gutter it hurts.

AHahahaha so, because you refuse to accept you led the adepts poorly, the system is inherently unfair. You rule

Dude. Learn. From. Kalum.-

And you're some great FIST leader?

*smirk*

In any case, no, I'm right and you know it. I did ask for truces and I did surrender originally, no one would accept it.

"We can't make peace with evil, sorry, you will always try to harm someone" was the response the FIST cabal gave me.

The same response the druids gave.

The same response the keepers ga...hell, on and on.

Your lipservice [REDACTED] is just that. [REDACTED]. No one will ever cut adepts slack in this CRS world due to the helpfiles. You [REDACTED] held their relic for months on end, without ever even trying to bring a resolution about. You and yaubl are terrible leaders and I hope to god no one follows your example how to run opponents into the dirt.

You need to be deflagged, deleted, and forced to only roleplay a necromancer in the adepts. Perhaps then you would shut your mouth and see things from the otherside.

The fist is the most broken cabal on sk, always has been, always will be, because it -does not belong- as it is.