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Author:  patrisaurus [ Sat Dec 15, 2012 11:09 pm ]
Post subject:  Centaurs/griffons who are ridden can be circled in front ro
I think this is a bug to do with formations. Being mounted takes them out of any position and opens them to circle and hamstring.

Presumably though untested a centaur/griffon that was being ridden by someone in the back row would be able to be bashed/hit in melee by enemies in the front row.

edit- just to make it clear, this is shown by this log:

Code:
[HP:100%] [ME: 51%] [PE: 76%]
>
Group: Caranthir's Party
(F1)  [a Taslamaran co]    (F2)  [ a spirit rider]    (F3)  [---------------]
(M1)  [---------------]    (M2)  [      Caranthir]    (M3)  [---------------]
(B1)  [---------------]    (B2)  [  the grey wolf]    (B3)  [---------------]
Characters                 Rank    Pos  Here  Follow  Prone    HP    ME    PE 
Caranthir                  Leader  M2   Yes   No      No     100%   51%   76%
The grey wolf              Member  B2   Yes   Yes     No     100%  100%  100%
Gwynnestri                 Member  ??   No    Yes     No     100%   66%  100%
A Taslamaran courser       Member  ??   No    No      No     100%  100%  100%
Hoch                       Member  ??   Yes   Yes     Yes     33%   28%   75%
A Taslamaran courser       Member  F1   Yes   No      No     100%   63%   85%
A spirit rider             Member  F2   Yes   No      No     100%    0%  100%

[HP:100%] [ME: 51%] [PE: 76%]
> glan lank
You are looking at a lanky male minotaur.
A deformed male troll and a white-eyed male deep-elf are behind him.
Overall, a lanky male minotaur has some small wounds and bruises.

[HP:100%] [ME: 51%] [PE: 76%]
>
A spirit rider misses a lanky male minotaur.
A Taslamaran courser misses a lanky male minotaur.
A Taslamaran courser misses a lanky male minotaur.
Hoch slices a lanky male minotaur's chest, cutting a small but painful, wound.
A lanky male minotaur dodges Hoch's attack.
Hoch slices a lanky male minotaur's stomach, causing a small wound.
Hoch slices at a lanky male minotaur's chest, causing a deep gash.
A lanky male minotaur's shield blocks Hoch's attack.
A lanky male minotaur slices at Hoch's head, leaving a big scar across his face!
Hoch's shield blocks a lanky male minotaur's attack.
A lanky male minotaur slices at Hoch's chest, DISEMBOWELING him!
Hoch's shield blocks a lanky male minotaur's attack.
A lanky male minotaur strikes suddenly, slicing at Hoch's chest!  Some GUTS fall!
Hoch parries a lanky male minotaur's attack.

[HP:100%] [ME: 51%] [PE: 76%]
>
A white-eyed male deep-elf's circle stab does UNSPEAKABLE THINGS to Hoch!
Author:  Tragonis [ Sat Dec 15, 2012 11:36 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Centaurs/griffons who are ridden can be circled in front
Not sure its a bug, since being ridden takes you out of formation and as thus vulnerable to a rogues attack. The spirit rider forced to tank in this situation is more concerning since they are not to be used as tanks.
Author:  ninja_ardith [ Sat Dec 15, 2012 11:37 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Centaurs/griffons who are ridden can be circled in front
Tragonis wrote:
Not sure its a bug, since being ridden takes you out of formation and as thus vulnerable to a rogues attack. The spirit rider forced to tank in this situation is mote concerning since they are not to be used as tanks.


You can't position a griffon or centaur that's being ridden by the spirit rider, you have to position the spirit rider.
Author:  patrisaurus [ Sat Dec 15, 2012 11:46 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Centaurs/griffons who are ridden can be circled in front
Yeah you are reading the log wrong, there is a griffon beneath it being used as a tank, as evidenced by him getting thoroughly owned in the snippet.
Author:  Tragonis [ Sat Dec 15, 2012 11:48 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Centaurs/griffons who are ridden can be circled in front
I think that is because everyone is aiming at him, not because he is the primary tank. Not sure where the bug is here, except for the limited formation code I guess.
Author:  Terrus [ Sun Dec 16, 2012 3:29 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Centaurs/griffons who are ridden can be circled in front
Well if Hoch was mounted by the spirit rider, he should have been in rank f2 with the spirit rider on top of him. Essentially they should both be in rank f2. I personally think this is a bug, especially since there were two people behind him.
Author:  Opey [ Sun Dec 16, 2012 7:45 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Centaurs/griffons who are ridden can be circled in front
Oh ... I thought this was a change to hamstring/circle. Certainly there are problems with being mounted. Sometimes I rescue people and it takes me out of combat.
Author:  Drale [ Sun Dec 16, 2012 9:38 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Centaurs/griffons who are ridden can be circled in front
While we're addressing mount bugs, what about the one most of us are familiar with? x groups with y. X mounts y. Y gets bashed, and the aggressor is forced into having target X even if you re-focus to y. In the last instance it showed me striking X with my attacks, but showed y's health as excellent at the end of each round. Sorry no log but this happened to me multiple times and I will try it next time.
Author:  Dulrik [ Sun Dec 16, 2012 10:58 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Centaurs/griffons who are ridden can be circled in front
So is the real problem that a mount is not being treated as the same part of the formation as the rider? Please confirm.
Author:  patrisaurus [ Sun Dec 16, 2012 11:12 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Centaurs/griffons who are ridden can be circled in front
Yes D I think that's the bug.
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