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PostPosted: Tue Mar 17, 2009 8:58 am 
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I both liked and hated Emet as Faerti. She thought he was hypocritical for being lenient with some darkies (Aldric) but not all (Nosephthyki) and thought that he was too controlling, almost like an Imperial.

But on the other hand, she felt that Emet was one of the only lighties willing to fight, willing to hunt, and willing to protect. She hated him personally, but knew it was probably for the better - and she never understood why he disliked HER so much. Or other lighties.

His expectations for others always fell much higher than his expectations for himself. He was flawed for sure. But I guess I can say that the character definitely made an impression.


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PostPosted: Tue Mar 17, 2009 9:13 am 
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Let's have a little case study here before you decide to keep being pissed, OA.

Monday, March 16 at 4:18 PM, on the subject of scrolls.
Edoras wrote:
They're not listed as crimes, they don't break sanc to use them, and I'm pretty sure that they don't check against sanc for the reciting either.

Oh, and the addition of easily-obtained (and virtually free) overpowered blank scrolls into the game was obviously done without any real thought of game balance. But that's not a bug, at least.


Sunday, March 15: Bug discussion thread started about law system being broken.
ninja_ardith wrote:
When is the buggy law system going to be fixed?

I swear to God, if I have to sit for 2 days and 12 hours because I legitimately served a sentence, I'm going to flip out. Not only that, I had to serve it twice.

Don't even get me started on the double crime counting for single acts of criminal activity.


Two days later, these issues were resolved.

Now let's examine Emet.

446 Hours, and he accomplished this:

Regarding Law Code wrote:
After Dulrik's latest bug fixes/code changes, I can finally put Emet to rest knowing that his original intent - catalyzing many needed changes to the law code - has finally succeeded. Order tribunal NPCs to kill is now a crime. Looting from a corpse is now a crime. Reciting offensive scrolls is now a crime. Every class with scrolls has been wimped noticeably. My code-related goal as Emet has been completed.


So congratulations: In over 400 hours you managed to make ordering tribunal NPCs to kill a crime, and looting from a corpse a crime (Yeah that makes sense... not). By the way, in the meantime the scrolls issue was fixed without any regard to you at all in two days via a forum thread. What's my point? You have absolutely no reason to abuse these things to fix them: You just like abusing bugs and code flaws just for the heck of it.

As far as Emet goes, he was a complete piece of trash for a priest of Dulrik, you obviously either didn't read the religious texts of the faith or read them and decided not to follow them, both of which are unacceptable in my opinion. One word: Humility. Being humble is essential to Dulrik's tenants, and you not only failed to ever exhibit it, but also prided yourself on that fact, and you committed a lot of grave errors in the process of trying to be "badass."

People were driven away from the game on account of the fact that even as a "principled" priest of Dulrik, you barely kept even the thinnest of veils between IC and OOC (Crucible anyone?), and did a lot of griefing of other characters with little RP. I'm glad this worthless excuse of a character is gone.


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I have not interacted with this character IC - I can only offer some thoughts on what I've heard from others, contrasted with what the OP presents.

1) The hardcore lightie approach is not nearly as rare as you claim. While I can appreciate the problems of the 'veteran' player finding challenge with less confrontational forms of RP, all that says to me is that you are not willing to expend the creative energy behind generating better types of conflict. Simplistic and uncompromising anti-evil characters are easy to play, but they offer little in the way of dynamic RP or interesting storylines. They also tend not to be fun for anyone else to deal with. That seems to be the case here.

2) edit: having just read Edoras' post, my only positive point in this list is gone

3) OA is pretty much spot on. You really need to reign that epeen in.

4) On the whole, it feels to me like you're playing the game in a way that's...poisonous. If everyone played like you, this game would suck major donkey balls. I would expand on this, but because I did not interact with Emet, I can't say much more than that.

At least people will stop bitching now.


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He made this char to abuse loopholes in the game.

Ban plz?


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Every loophole he found he reported before using it and when the response was that its not a bug, he demonstrated that indeed it was, and changes happened. The players who were banned made no such reports and waited for no IMM response before cheating themselves all the way to GM.


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Whew... where's that shovel...

As annoyed as I could get at Emet...
As angry as I could get at Emet...
Hello, I'm dead here, helping you against your enemies here... Grrrr
As frustrated as I was trying to find you in the game...
As agressive as Emet could be...
As arrogant as Emet could come across as...

The IC truth, justification/reasons, pains were all there for his actions, and the RP that grew out of interaction with him was probably (at least to me) as intense as his PK abilities and the rest.

I'm a saddened that the player leaves the character as OOC issues 'are solved' when the IC concept itself was unpopular, strong, and caused good tensions between those driven to the RP. I don't agree with abandoning ship just because the OOC problems were solved, or how many people had to suffer 'in the dark' so to speak. As efficient as a PKer you are, as prominent of an RPer you could be, I am left thirsting for the RP of what could have been.

I say next time around, whatever your OOC goals are, remember that those you interact with, RP or PK are real people behind the screens and scenes, and that ultimately you roleplay a character. When you make a point of your OOC intentions without regard to others, it is how people are going to view your actions. When the lack of regard seemingly flows into the game itself, this is where the level of animosity you face comes from.

For whatever reason, I was driven to 'ignore the obvious' and seek to find what made the centaur who and how he was. For the time he did put in, I am appreciative, and it certainly explained the lot, ICly. Hopefully next time, it won't take a sledge hammer. ;)


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I hate to point this out Achernar, but he reported what HE felt was a bug and then abused it? That means he had the MINDSET to abuse bugs and that is the problem.


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SK_Phantom wrote:
I hate to point this out Achernar, but he reported what HE felt was a bug and then abused it? That means he had the MINDSET to abuse bugs and that is the problem.


He was never told it was a bug. Were he, I imagine this would have played out differently. Who knows all of what was going on behind the scenes really, especially since he did report it. I can't see pinning this all on Emet.


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SK_Phantom wrote:
I hate to point this out Achernar, but he reported what HE felt was a bug and then abused it? That means he had the MINDSET to abuse bugs and that is the problem.


That's a pretty weak argument Phantom.


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Mehloncholy:

You are right we can't pin it all on Emet but we can on Dulrik. When he makes changes to the game and does not understand all of the changes that he affects then yes it is Dulrik's fault and we can pin it on him.


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