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| Author: | Anjin [ Tue Aug 16, 2011 10:56 am ] |
| Post subject: | Dodge |
Here's a list of times when different classes get the dodge skill. Amateur- Swashbuckler, Scout, Rogue, Sorceror. Novice- Bard, Warlock Initiate- Necro Apprentice- Mercenary, Shaman. Journeyman- Barbarian Expert- Hellion, Paladin Never- Priest So, here are some dumb questions. Why would sorcerors learn dodge at amateur, before mercenaries, barbarians, paladins, hellions, and pretty much everyone? Why would the front row, heavy armor classes learn this ability only after everyone else has learned it? Wouldn't learning to dodge be much, much more important to a paladin than a sorceror? Why don't priests get dodge? Yes, they get shield block, but should they really be penalized for this? - This whole table seems upside-down, to me, with the exception of the swash-rogue-scout-bard placement. (I'd like everyone to make a note, for future reference, that I currently play a sorceror, despite asking (dumbly) why they get this skill so early. Please make use of this note, the next time your mouse is lingering over the 'submit' key, about to complain that I'm asking to be "buffed" when I suggest that the dragon polymorph should get infravision.) ((*Proceeds to win the game with infravision*)) |
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| Author: | ninja_ardith [ Tue Aug 16, 2011 11:08 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Dodge |
Barbarians, and Paladins initially never had the dodge skill. Dulrik just added them where he felt like adding them for those classes. Personally I don't think that necromancers and sorcerers should get dodge, but I don't think there's some profound answer as to why they get it earlier than others. |
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| Author: | ladyjennbo [ Tue Aug 16, 2011 11:12 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Dodge |
I would -gladly- give up shield block in priests for dodge. |
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| Author: | Anjin [ Tue Aug 16, 2011 3:56 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Dodge |
I think the game balances fine if everyone *eventually* gets dodge. It's worthless in low dex casters, and people who don't master dodge, anyway. The sequence of who learns it when is kind of confusing, though, if pedantic. - Priests should just get dodge and shield block. Remember in old school D&D, when priests- especially the buffed variety- used to have okay damage and decent survivability? |
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| Author: | ninja_ardith [ Tue Aug 16, 2011 4:04 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Dodge |
Anjin wrote: I think the game balances fine if everyone *eventually* gets dodge. It's worthless in low dex casters, and people who don't master dodge, anyway. The sequence of who learns it when is kind of confusing, though, if pedantic. - Priests should just get dodge and shield block. Remember in old school D&D, when priests- especially the buffed variety- used to have okay damage and decent survivability? This is not true. I am not going to say why though. |
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| Author: | Anjin [ Tue Aug 16, 2011 10:38 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Dodge |
Thanks. You're, like, a big fountain of helpfulness. It's like you belong to some secret society, now, of people-who-know-why-ardith-think's-I'm-wrong. How enigmatic, how glamorous, this society of one person. I'm glad that there's this division, though. If there wasn't an outside, what would be the point of an inside? The need for this kind of behavior arises a lot, over the course of history. Just because Bush couldn't *show* us the proof for WMD in Iraq, doesn't mean it wasn't there. He just had a reason to not show us. More importantly, he still had a reason to show us why he had a reason to not show us, one that totally served a purpose other than farming public opinion. Pay no attention to the Ardith behind the curtains. /grep mode So, which part is untrue? |
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| Author: | WickedWitch [ Tue Aug 16, 2011 10:49 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Dodge |
lol, priests are already way too buff as it is, without getting more survivability. They shouldn't be getting hit to begin with. |
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| Author: | Anjin [ Tue Aug 16, 2011 11:01 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Dodge |
Then why do some of them get heavy armor? |
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| Author: | WickedWitch [ Wed Aug 17, 2011 3:13 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Dodge |
How are dodge and heavy armor related? At all? This is why they get shield block. |
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| Author: | Newblet [ Wed Aug 17, 2011 3:49 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Dodge |
Anjin wrote: Remember in old school D&D This isn't D&D, this is Shattered Kingdoms. You want D&D go find some buddies and go play it. |
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