Holy Word

zelenik · **Posted:** Mon Aug 27, 2007 11:53 pm

How exactly does it work? I know about the damage stuff, but the cancellation and dispel magic affects seem never to land. I have yet to dispel control undead. It seems that it used to if my mind still serves me it used to. Also I'd think that affect should have a higher success rate dependent on the aura difference. Any help on understanding would be appreciated.

Muktar · **Posted:** Tue Aug 28, 2007 1:46 am

How much art do you have? I don't know if control undead is a compulsion effect (I don't see any logic there) but cancellation doesn't help with that at much anymore.

Salandarin · **Posted:** Tue Aug 28, 2007 2:01 am

You may wish to consult the changes to cancellation regarding remove compulsion. Holy word does not have a remove compulsion effect.

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[Spells help] Magic Removal Spells

Syntax: cast 'dispel magic' <victim>
cast 'dispel magic' self (room dispel)
cast 'cancellation' <target>
cast 'remove compulsion' <target>

...

Cancellation has the ability to only remove harmful spell effects but it
has less effect on some spells than others. This is not an attack spell and
will only cancel harmful effects. While cancellation is good against many
common maledictions such as feeblemind, sleep, slow and weaken, it is not a
cure all. It has trouble removing compulsions that control the mind.

Remove compulsion is similar to cancellation in that it is not an attack
spell but it specializes in removing the compulsion effects that are hard
to eliminate with cancellation. Examples of compulsions include charm person,
domination, confusion, chaos, control undead and hold person.

Dispels may also be useful when fighting against animated or conjured
creatures. Some spells cannot be dispelled such as poison or plague, which
have dedicated curing spells, or magma spray which is non-magical once cast.

zelenik · **Posted:** Tue Aug 28, 2007 2:08 am

So in other words that change completely messed up the Paladin's advantage over a Necromancer. Holy Word costs to much to use for it damage. I always used to use it for the cancellation affects. How am I supposed to beat a decently prepped necromancer now then?(rhetorical question)

juggernaut · **Posted:** Tue Aug 28, 2007 3:01 am

You follow Thran's example and ask for tweaks on your class (paladin class). He is the one who got Holy Word not affect control undead, so try to do the opposite. You will find yourself in a never-ending cycle, which Thran seems to enjoy.

three_sixteen · **Posted:** Tue Aug 28, 2007 4:19 am

zelenik wrote:

So in other words that change completely messed up the Paladin's advantage over a Necromancer. Holy Word costs to much to use for it damage. I always used to use it for the cancellation affects. How am I supposed to beat a decently prepped necromancer now then?(rhetorical question)

Bolt of Glory much? You folks did put art on your paladin?

Achernar · **Posted:** Tue Aug 28, 2007 4:38 am

There is a possibility for holy word to help, its just much less than the chance you'd get with remove compulsion.

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FinneyOwnzU · **Joined:** Wed Apr 24, 2002 11:51 am **Posts:** 1500

Achernar wrote:

There is a possibility for holy word to help, its just much less than the chance you'd get with remove compulsion.

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I'm not sure I really understand the problem. When you cast holy word against a necromancer, it acts as a dispel magic against them, not a cancellation. So, does dispel magic also have a lesser chance to dispel control/charm also? Or does that apply only to cancellation?

The cancellation part of the holy word only affects your party, which means the cancellation change was actually a stealth buff to holy word. One of the major drawbacks of using holy word as a priest is that it had a chance to cancel any charmed pets in your group, which made sorcerers sad pandas. For evil priests, it was worse because it could also cancel dominates and controlled undead.

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[Spells help] holy word
 
Syntax: cast 'holy word'
 
Holy word is a powerful priest spell that, when cast, affects the entire
room which the priest is currently in.  The spell acts as a cancellation
upon all party members, and causes damage and a dispel magic to all of
the opposite alignment.  Holy word tends to cause great exhaustion for
the caster as the power of their god pours through them.

Sinnoch · **Joined:** Tue Aug 07, 2007 2:34 am **Posts:** 300

Dispel magic still dispel's control undead if casted on the undead.

And, by the way, it's people like you (juggarnaut) that need to grow up. Crying about 'omg, thran said this so dulrik must do it because he said so!!!" is [REDACTED]. Dulrik makes changes based on what Dulrik feels is right, not what I say or don't say. You're 30, ffs, act it.

You just don't get how silly it was to have your own side's charms/dominates cancelled because someone in your group casted holy word. Not to mention having 1 spell do so much.

Kirsenvar · **Posted:** Tue Aug 28, 2007 6:57 am

zelenik wrote:

How exactly does it work? I know about the damage stuff, but the cancellation and dispel magic affects seem never to land. I have yet to dispel control undead. It seems that it used to if my mind still serves me it used to. Also I'd think that affect should have a higher success rate dependent on the aura difference. Any help on understanding would be appreciated.

From my understanding the Evil Priest, paladin or Holy priest utters the word 'TAXES' then the enemy of his alignment will get hurt (that is if their enchants are not high and they didn't file that year). IT cancells and dispells I believe.

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