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Author:  Lightbringer [ Wed Apr 18, 2007 8:18 am ]
Post subject:  Elves VS D-elves
Ok come on at least have their stat's match for everything and swap the 24/20's around why can't d-elves have 18 con and 23 dex? From what I can tell elves have an applicable 124 stat pts d-elves only have 120 where's the balance in this? If they are supposed to be opposites with just one (d-elves) being a bit more crafty and the other (elves) being a bit more respected. I would appreciate an explanation?
Author:  Goldlantern [ Wed Apr 18, 2007 8:50 am ]
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uh...deep-elves are no more crafty than surface elves. Elves are elves. People just have more of a natural dislike for deep-elves cause most of em are all pale and [REDACTED].
Author:  Lightbringer [ Wed Apr 18, 2007 8:54 am ]
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Notes that this is not an answer...
Author:  sleeper [ Wed Apr 18, 2007 9:15 am ]
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I'd rather this not be touched. If this is really that big of a deal, then go ahead and slightly buff one of the elves weaknesses (or nerf one of the deep-elf's weaknesses.)

sleeper
Author:  Gremlin24 [ Wed Apr 18, 2007 10:18 am ]
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Eh, my biggest problem with deep-elves is that they have less CON than a sprite, which seems very silly to me. It would be nice to see them more melee oriented in their stats, but I'm sure this fight has been fought many times before.
Author:  Inzy [ Wed Apr 18, 2007 12:07 pm ]
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The CON really pisses me off.

Elves seem to have an advantage on deep-elves.
Author:  Grakus [ Wed Apr 18, 2007 12:22 pm ]
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Inzy wrote:
The CON really pisses me off.

Elves seem to have an advantage on deep-elves.


The 24 charisma, the lack of negative energy spells (only 2 classes possess them, whereas 4 classes possess spells against deep-elves), higher con, better stat balance, and all that junk.

The only time a deep-elf ever beats out an elf is when it comes to being a necromancer.

Oh. Wait.
Author:  Wizard_of_winter [ Wed Apr 18, 2007 12:31 pm ]
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I'd say it's even. There's a one con point difference but as a whole a 24 int that deep-elves have access to is arguably more useful the then 24 cha elves get. Rember that only humans access to all the classes. A 24 int on a necro is hot stuff, same with any other caster class.

Not to mention the fact that Deep-elves get faerie fire innately which wipes out sneak and hide among other things. It looks even to me.
Author:  Kin [ Wed Apr 18, 2007 12:37 pm ]
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I tend to agree with Grem. D-elves right now are incredibly hard to play, this coming from a first time player who's first choice was a D elf Hellion. Made it to mentor level and thought I had a pretty good character til I was hit by my first BoG...Protection + shield and it still wiped out a large chunk of my HP.

Overall, I think D-elves do need a bit of a boost. Their weaknesses far outweigh their advantages. Colorspray = auto blind. BoG = instant half HP almost unless you're severely MP / MR equipped. Low Con = lower HP which means melee = death.

They're alright on Caster classes but even then their HP is so low with their low Con that it's quite pointless. Their dex is alright, but I think their weaknesses are just a bit over the top. That's just my opinion though. Far easier to kill a D-elf than it is an Elf. Purifier for example has holy damage and ROCKS D Elves.
Author:  Konge [ Wed Apr 18, 2007 12:47 pm ]
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I've had my share of deep-elves, and it's a pity that nothing except for RP would make anyone choose them. There should be pros and cons for each race, sure - but the cons just outweigh the pros so heavily it's a detriment to the RP emnity can spark.
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