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It has a chance of instakill on =any= undead, not just controled ones.


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teh1337n00b wrote:
It has a chance of instakill on =any= undead, not just controled ones.


I know, I mean I don't care if you get rid of it on normal undead, just make them immune to it once they are controlled. They lose all scripts, might as well GAIN something too.


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I had a idea not to long ago, something along the lines of temporary blemish. Make it last as long as blind or deaf and when your affected by it all priest, paladin and hellion spells that require a god or goddess do not work. Make recall useless for the duration as well.

Is this overpowered? Yes, however sadly it would just barely make the necromancer class balanced again. It would probably related to reflex for a resist. To make it good though have it have the same casting time as BoG and HW.

One other way to balance this all out is to make BoG and HW the longest casting spell in the game (so tied with FoD). Do you really think the Gods and Goddess are just waiting for some peon to use these spells? No they are all chilling out, laughing their [REDACTED] off as the watch all the little lemmings running around asking for help.

Maybe all thats needed is a cap on BoG and HW. Like only being able to use the spell every 12 IRL hours.


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Kerrien, hopefully you're being sarcastic. If not, you've either A) never played a necro before or B) played a necro and was bad at it.


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Kalen wrote:
Kerrien, hopefully you're being sarcastic. If not, you've either A) never played a necro before or B) played a necro and was bad at it.


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Kalen your absolutely right! Necromancers are completely balanced. In fact Paladins need a spell that kills all undead in the realm at once.


I just love it when people instead of explaining why they think someone is wrong they either say you never played X or if you did you sucked at it!"

Kalen please explain why necros shouldn't get a spell that could either help them, or maybe increase BoG and HW casting times.


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All three "suggestions" you posted were so overpowered that all the resultant necros from such a patch would make your head spin.

A) Blemish spell with near half round cast time? Seriously? Let me translate. "Oh, let's take the only classes that can take down prepped necros and turn them into cannon fodder for necros. Oh yeah, and because I'm mentally challenged let's have it curse also, with a reflex save. Yeah, that makes perfect sense to me. Basically if you think about it it's just curse, except a billion times better. Nothing at all wrong with that."

B) BoG and HW increased casting time?
Here's a hint for you: o all bash, or o all kill (If they're hammer), or zap ANYTHING (read: feeblemind, blindness, deafness) is instant. And the casting times for said maledictions will also finish before you die to straight-up BoGs. If BoG took more than a round to cast and ANY necro died to a pally, they should delete;delete right there on the spot.

C) BoG and HW limited use?
Possibly the dumbest thing I've ever heard. NOTHING will die to one BoG save undead, and limiting it's casts would make it worthless. Same for Holy word. And please, for the love of all that is good and holy, don't act as if BoG and HW are only useful for fighting necros.

Now that I have gone into depth as to what I was thinking when I read your last post, you can now admit that either A) You've never played a necro or B) you played one and sucked horribly. To tell the truth, I feel like I just wasted 5 minutes of my life posting this, because if you were even remotely serious about those "balancing changes" you suggested, then you're way too dumb to admit you're wrong.

Now, my thoughts on the subject:

Do I think necros are weak? Yeah, maybe. There's one necro I've consistently 2-shot with BoG. However, there's another necro who I've as of yet to kill, and he has killed me. I'm thinking that maybe they're just balanced and extremely hard to play, but unless I roll one for myself I've got no idea.


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Kalen wrote:
Now, my thoughts on the subject:
Do I think necros are weak? Yeah, maybe. There's one necro I've consistently 2-shot with BoG. However, there's another necro who I've as of yet to kill, and he has killed me. I'm thinking that maybe they're just balanced and extremely hard to play, but unless I roll one for myself I've got no idea.


Are you telling me you never have played a necro?


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Now, my thoughts on the subject:
Do I think necros are weak? Yeah, maybe. There's one necro I've consistently 2-shot with BoG. However, there's another necro who I've as of yet to kill, and he has killed me. I'm thinking that maybe they're just balanced and extremely hard to play, but unless I roll one for myself I've got no idea.


I took the liberty of bolding my own quote to point out that you can't even read your own post. NO, I have not played a necro. That doesn't change the fact that none of your suggestions were even close to good. I'm guessing that you know someone who played a necro that I 2-shot with BoG. There's 2 reasons for that: A) Bad EQ, B) Bad HP. That's how it rolls. I've played an elf before and been 3-shot by hellfire, and I didn't go around whining about it.

At any rate, I've stated my honest opinion about necros, and you aren't worth my time, considering you have nothing worthwhile at all to say.


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... but unless I roll one for myself I've got no idea.


I took the liberty of bolding my own quote to point out that you can't even read your own post. NO, I have not played a necro. That doesn't change the fact that none of your suggestions were even close to good. I'm guessing that you know someone who played a necro that I 2-shot with BoG. There's 2 reasons for that: A) Bad EQ, B) Bad HP. That's how it rolls. I've played an elf before and been 3-shot by hellfire, and I didn't go around whining about it.

At any rate, I've stated my honest opinion about necros, and you aren't worth my time, considering you have nothing worthwhile at all to say.


Aw my feelings are all hurt because the big bad bigot thinks I am not important enough. :roll:

I just think Necromancers have been getting a raw deal more and more as the game progresses. I do not know how long you have played the game, but you only joined this year in the forms so I can only go with the fact you have not played for very long.

1) The reason I responded to you in question form in my last post was I was just a little shocked, like when someone says something so crazy you repeat what they said in a question form.

2) You do realize you are saying necromancers are fine the way they are without playing one. Do you realize how asinine that sounds? It changes the fact COMPLETELY! You obvioulsy have not spent hours prepping undead only to have them all killed in half a round.

3) Just because my ideas would affect the class you are currently playing doesn't mean they are not good. Sure the ideas do need to be watered down, however in order to make small changes you need to start big.

Now I know you will not respond to this post because I am not worth your time.

Unless of course you are a hypocrite.


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Yeah, you really aren't.


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