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Do you think the scrupulous help file needs a change?
Yes 43%  43%  [ 25 ]
No 28%  28%  [ 16 ]
Wert Option 29%  29%  [ 17 ]
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 Post subject: Re: Scrupulous helpfile wording change
PostPosted: Mon Aug 27, 2012 3:34 pm 
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jerinx wrote:
Edoras wrote:
Only if you see it from the WRONG perspective :P


You've been spewing spiteful, useless statements like this for a while, now, and you're just wrong. Zhenshi is a light-aura country, just the only one that has the CAPACITY to have a dark leader of the law due to their more tempered, honorable, passive sensibilities. Anyone who tries to argue against this is just wasting everyone's time.

Uhhh, I was responding to Sargas' last statement of
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Zhang did them too rough of a number for them to really be fully interested and invested in the dark anymore.
And I was making a joke that Zhang did a "good" job, stemming from the fact that I'm playing a necro.


I've always argued that Zhenshi is probably meant to be more neutral than say, the peacekeepers, but yet are definitely still a lightie faction indicated by the fact that most of their law NPCs are lighties, their priest NPCs are lighties, and their criminals are chased by golden griffons.

No hate dawg.


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PostPosted: Mon Aug 27, 2012 4:35 pm 
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PostPosted: Mon Aug 27, 2012 5:37 pm 
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PostPosted: Fri Aug 31, 2012 4:40 am 
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Dragonite2012 wrote:
And Erik, Zhensh Empire is a fulcrum. It's the geo-political balance point between the east and west, the dark and light. Leading the Talons is a tricky job for a scrupulous character. I've always held it is really more a job for a grey. A dogmatic or even unprincipled. The complaint, as I'm seeing it, is not that Reinald didn't do what was necessary to walk that tightrope that a Talon leader has to balance on, but that you eschewed all the drive of a scrupulous character to do so. That you disregarded Reinald's alignment. I also think throwing Reinald into the category of "miscreant" is somewhat exaggerated, but when we expect to see white, and see grey instead, the grey looks awfully dark. It's really too bad, because when I met Reinald when I was on Keth, and again on a couple other characters, I liked him. But somewhere about the time he took over Tensarie's mess, is when it seemed to fall apart. And, so he got booted from the Talons, Reinald is high profile, so redeem him. Use it. I think you can do that, but I think you have to put all of THIS behind you, and figure out Reinald's next chapter... See this not as an ending, but as an opportunity.


Believe me, the complaint is as spurious as it can be. The way I saw it was that when it comes to faction decisions, the faction concept matters more than alignment but it is always kept in check by the alignment. Zhenshi has grey and evil PCs and it should be punishable if a Talon leader made decisions based on his alignment instead of simply being fair. What happened in this case was fairness regardless of alignment, and always taking into account the stated intentions of everyone involved. The lighties started the fight and instead of going through the necessary channels, they just proclaimed that they would break the law to do whatever they want while the darkie in question cooperated fully to clear the whole thing up. Regardless of good intentions or bad intentions, no Talon leader can accept crap like that outside of an alliance or even in an alliance. Letting your allies come in and gank peaceful characters and/or citizens is bad RP regardless of alignment.

How is Zhenshi a lightie kingdom though? The majority of the citizens are grey and there is even a NPC in Nerina with a slave, talking about "the Father". Half the Talon board is filled with past RP that emphasizes tolerance, neutrality, law-keeping instead of crusading. Obviously the law-keeping force would be lighties, having an exclusively greybie force would mean that there would also be a high degree of corruption. But yeah okay, in the grand quest of zerging the darkies, let's make Zhenshi into an exclusively lightie kingdom exactly like Ayamao and Taslamar are.


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PostPosted: Fri Aug 31, 2012 9:11 am 
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Ayamao is not a lightie kingdom.


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PostPosted: Fri Aug 31, 2012 9:13 am 
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Thematically, no it isn't.

In reality, yes it is.


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PostPosted: Fri Aug 31, 2012 12:15 pm 
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Thematically it kind of is, too.


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PostPosted: Fri Aug 31, 2012 12:43 pm 
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Sargas wrote:
Thematically it kind of is, too.


Not really, only Sith is thematically lightie. The other civilized centers of Ayamao (Sprite/Centaur) are a mixed bag.


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PostPosted: Fri Aug 31, 2012 3:03 pm 
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Saying Zenshi is lightie-centric and Ayamao is more grey is [REDACTED].


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PostPosted: Fri Aug 31, 2012 4:31 pm 
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alcoholrainbowpig wrote:
Saying Zenshi is lightie-centric and Ayamao is more grey is [REMOVED].


Lighties? In MY Zhenshi?

It's more likely than you think.

/look at the cabal associations. It's a simple, easy line to draw. Using Sith'a'niel as the example of why Ayamao is lightie is like using Garazul for a reason that Zhenshi is gray


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