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Should Priests Loose Shield Block and gain Enhanced Damage
Yes, I never see priests in front row and I never see them use shields 10%  10%  [ 3 ]
No, just because you are in second or third rank doesn't mean you don't need a shield if priests choose not to use on that's their fault 77%  77%  [ 23 ]
Werttrew Option ( I don't care show me the results) 10%  10%  [ 3 ]
Psycho option (That's my idea! You're stealing my thoughts! I'll get you Orac!) 3%  3%  [ 1 ]
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PostPosted: Mon Jan 21, 2008 7:03 am 
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I always use a shield. That doesn't mean that you cannot use staves/scrolls in pk. After you use the staff, remove it and substitute it with the scroll. There is no reason not to use a shield on a priest. It helps immensely against big openers aswell as ranged combat and circle stabs.

I'd be very sad if it were to go.


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I haven't used a shield much yet as Aneira, mainly because her strength is so low that I haven't found one I like that I can carry easily. :oops:

But I never, ever, use a pole-mace after leveling. I'm always in third row so e damage would be pretty useless to me personally. I can't really speak to how other priests play, because the priest class is very versatile. I've seen battlepriests who do very well in second row where they might take some damage. Taking shield block away from said priests would make it a little more difficult for them to take damage, but giving them e damage makes it a little easier for them to dish out damage. Meh. I'm split on it.


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PostPosted: Mon Jan 21, 2008 8:29 am 
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The options of this poll are too defined.

'just because you are in second or third rank doesn't mean you don't need a shield if priests choose not to use on that's their fault'

Priests also need shield to stand in front row.

What I don't get really is why priests are the only class in the game that lack the dodge skill. RPwise, it makes little sense, when even sorcerers get it.


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Orac-

First of all, I was giving my thoughts on your idea, not starting a character attack. I would appreciate if you would be a little nicer in your responses.

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Point 1) I was around Frollith as much or more then you and I didn't see him use a shield often. But like I said I'll leave it to Frollith to post here if he wants to explain what his char was like.

I don't buy that. Sorel deleted with... 1400 hours? I must have fought him in at least 40% of my fights. That's not even including the time I spent with on Varin or Sarevin, or fighting against him with Kail/Izigul.

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Ultimately you're grasping at straws and trotting out Frollith, making him out to be something he wasn't, and claiming shield block is regularily used by priests. It's not. When I led the Harlies none of the priests used shield block.


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But I guess since Frollith had his elite energy armor and usually had a shield because he was taking hits so much and stuff this change should be considered.

I mentioned good energy armor because you were making it sound like cloth priests can't tank damage in a pinch. I was trying to provide a counterexample. Sarcasm necessary here?


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Shield block [REDACTED] owns for a priest. Shield blocking circle stabs and such! You are all NooBS!


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Let me dissect for all of you Peso's posts.

Step 1. Take the subject. In this case shield block for priests.

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Shield block [REDACTED] owns for a priest.


Okay, good. Step 1 completed.

Step 2. Take something someone else said already.

Konge wrote:
It helps immensely against big openers aswell as ranged combat and circle stabs.


Then paraphrase it.

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Shield blocking circle stabs and such!


Excellent, Step 2 compelted.

Now for step 3.

Call everyone n00bs.

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You are all NooBS!


Congratulations, you now know to post like Peso. You need not worry, this is the formula he uses for all of his posts.


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I mentioned good energy armor because you were making it sound like cloth priests can't tank damage in a pinch. I was trying to provide a counterexample. Sarcasm necessary here?


A counter example? Good energy is really hard to get hows that? If it's not sacred armor it's hard to find. Alot of stuff has been wimped while you were gone. I doubt Frollith ever had a set of full energy anyway and you are always talking about him. Even heavy armor priests don't go around tanking.

I mean for you to say that priests are going around tanking or tanking semi regularily it's just crap. Most priests are in third row with a staff and a scroll in their hands healing or reciting or brandishing. That's all I've ever seen. I've led three churches been around alot of priests in cabals that's what they do.

Like I said I don't think you are a Frollith expert. If he wants to come on here and explain himself he can, I invite him to prove me wrong. I think you are just saying things you want to be true to make me look wrong.


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Pole-mace is alright for low-level training, but once you get spear of faith, you're better off spam casting that.

In PK, priests don't rely on dealing melee damage. Priests are almost always in the middle/back rows or behind a pet when solo. When the person in the front row drops, or when someone with a reach weapon targets you, holding a shield could extend your life long enough for you to be rescued or flee.

Additionally, shields can be stacked with just as many 'enchant armors' as any other piece of armor. It makes sense to have a shield with lots of enchants on it to carry around just in case.


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A counter example? Good energy is really hard to get hows that? If it's not sacred armor it's hard to find. Alot of stuff has been wimped while you were gone. I doubt Frollith ever had a set of full energy anyway and you are always talking about him. Even heavy armor priests don't go around tanking.

Again, this was about taking less damage in an emergency situation. Nobody expects priests to go around tanking over other classes. Everyone who posted just wants priests to be able to reduce physical damage when targetted specifically.

Additionally, I am not always talking about him. I mentioned him because it was the first example that I could think of. You're the one who disputed that and started this long chain of comments about what frolly did or did not do. Besides, more than enough people playing former priests have already commented that they use shields, so it's moot now anyways.

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Like I said I don't think you are a Frollith expert. If he wants to come on here and explain himself he can, I invite him to prove me wrong. I think you are just saying things you want to be true to make me look wrong.

Surprise- I do not give a [REDACTED] about proving you wrong, even though you seem to have a grudge against me. You posted an idea, I posted my opinion. I did not disagree with you because it's you, I disagreed because I didn't like the idea. End of story.


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Adder wrote:
Orac wrote:
A counter example? Good energy is really hard to get hows that? If it's not sacred armor it's hard to find. Alot of stuff has been wimped while you were gone. I doubt Frollith ever had a set of full energy anyway and you are always talking about him. Even heavy armor priests don't go around tanking.

Again, this was about taking less damage in an emergency situation. Nobody expects priests to go around tanking over other classes. Everyone who posted just wants priests to be able to reduce physical damage when targetted specifically.

Additionally, I am not always talking about him. I mentioned him because it was the first example that I could think of. You're the one who disputed that and started this long chain of comments about what frolly did or did not do. Besides, more than enough people playing former priests have already commented that they use shields, so it's moot now anyways.

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Like I said I don't think you are a Frollith expert. If he wants to come on here and explain himself he can, I invite him to prove me wrong. I think you are just saying things you want to be true to make me look wrong.

Surprise- I do not give a [REDACTED] about proving you wrong, even though you seem to have a grudge against me. You posted an idea, I posted my opinion. I did not disagree with you because it's you, I disagreed because I didn't like the idea. End of story.


Surprise - You're paranoid. I don't have a grudge against you. You were arguing my points I argued back. You lost the arguement and made it personal. I don't even know you. But I guess I am grinding some axe here. You brought Frollith up and said he always had a shield and all this and that, not me. What ever. You obviously think you're very important.

The four or five priests that have spoken up here hardly represent the dozens of priests that I see not carrying shields. Like I said most priests have some item and a staff or a scroll and staff. Maybe I don't get out enough.

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Point 1) I was around Frollith as much or more then you and I didn't see him use a shield often. But like I said I'll leave it to Frollith to post here if he wants to explain what his char was like.

I don't buy that. Sorel deleted with... 1400 hours? I must have fought him in at least 40% of my fights. That's not even including the time I spent with on Varin or Sarevin, or fighting against him with Kail/Izigul.


I played with Frollith for 100's of hours as Roath before you ever showed up on SK. I've played with/against him many times before you ever came around and continued to do so while you had Sorel and after. I donno if you're some wanna be know it all but you're hardly an expert on Frolliths life. It was after I deleted Roath that he got the #2 flag in the Hammer way before you ever came around.



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