Shattered Kingdoms

My jman necro was putting malkis and zellidon to sleep in one cast, continuous times. He has like 1-2 art? And they both had decently enchanted armor

Is sleep being resisted at all, and I'm not talking by MR of course?

I cast sleep on myself 100 times. I'm wearing about 28 willpower, am a human with max wisdom, and have trained art 13 times. I successfully put myself to sleep on 7 castings. Seems like willpower is working fine to me.

Thank you Baldric.

That's BS 28 willpower with max wis should be way more than enough to stop 99/100 of sleep spells. I mean 28 willpower alone should reduce 95+%, the max wis just adds insult to injury. With max constitution and 0 fortitude I don't usually get hit full on with 16 art fod's(master lvl spell), with max wis and 0 will I get hit by 100% of sleep(apprentice lvl spell). Somethings clearly wrong and has been for sometime.

Of course any fixes to willpower should also address the fact that charm casts faster than petrify/fod and is 10x as good.

I think it all might have to do with the fact that there are no half saves for will spells.


edit just read that Aldric has only 13 art.... 28 will - 13 art = 15 will + max Wis (twice what you should need to resist will spells consistently)...... something immediately needs to be done to fix this.

Go find someone with 28 fortitude/max con and see how many spells out of 100 hit full on. I'll bet 0/100.

Art does not match 1:1 vs saves.

I'm pretty sure the most possible art for any class is 14.

I have almost that much fortitude and will do the testing next time a friendly necro is around.

It's also pretty easy to get a 28 wp suit without doing any enchanting, so the fact that it doesn't make you -completely- immune to the sleep spell doesn't really strike me as a bad thing.

Who says?

Dulrik, for one. I'll try to find the thread where that argument was hashed out some months ago. He didn't come right out and say which end of the ratio was favored, but he did admit that saves and art do not meet at a 1:1 ratio.

All of your math is pointless because it's wrong.

finger of death is a [REDACTED] spell just like petrification is a [REDACTED] spell. Anybody that relies on them to do anything in PvP should delete. Also, rial, you should be jailed for using all of these numbers in a post.