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Should Priests Loose Shield Block and gain Enhanced Damage
Yes, I never see priests in front row and I never see them use shields 10%  10%  [ 3 ]
No, just because you are in second or third rank doesn't mean you don't need a shield if priests choose not to use on that's their fault 77%  77%  [ 23 ]
Werttrew Option ( I don't care show me the results) 10%  10%  [ 3 ]
Psycho option (That's my idea! You're stealing my thoughts! I'll get you Orac!) 3%  3%  [ 1 ]
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PostPosted: Sun Jan 20, 2008 8:47 pm 
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I've been out with Frollith lots too. At first he would us that harm stave he had then he'd use scrolls. I barely ever saw him use a shield unless it was the crusaders shield. Why don't we let him explain what he liked to do. I've led 3 of the churches and been in a zillion of them and priests just don't seem to use shields. I'm not saying it NEVER happens I'm saying it's very rare.

Perhaps I should correct what I said. I meant I saw him holding a shield -often-. You can hold a stave or scroll and a shield, after all.

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I mean your example of Frollith is pretty lame. No character Is going to live three and a half years and never hold a shield. Heldorian used to hold
shields too and he didn't even have shield block. How often was Frollith in front row or second row deflecting blows with his shield? I'm sure you going to say lots but I doubt he was ever tanking stuff with pimped out cloth and a shield.

Energy armor can give good AC. Obviously he did not intentionally go into combat with the idea that he'd take hits, but it did happen, and I saw logs where he'd survive several rounds of melee combat because of the shield. In fact, I remember fighting him with my hellion and thinking that it was such a pain to kill him because he was immune to my hellfires and kept dodging or blocking all my attacks.

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I could maybe see shield block being taken from priests, but why in the world would they get enhanced damage?


Would a good reason be because they spend years of their lives wielding big heavy mauls bashing and crushing things in painful ways? Would that be a good reason?

I don't think so, no. Ultimately an enhanced damage for shield block trade would mean that priests would lose one skill that can be used for both leveling and PK and gain something that only helps speed up their leveling (albeit more so than shield block), since they'll never be doing physical dmg in PK.

I wouldn't take that trade.


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PostPosted: Sun Jan 20, 2008 10:01 pm 
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If any class would get shield block, it would be bards. They are even more warrior than a rogue and they get it.


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PostPosted: Sun Jan 20, 2008 10:13 pm 
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What makes you think that a guy who makes his way in the world by singing and fast talking is more of a warrior than a guy who makes his living by cutting purses and stabbing people in dark alleys?


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So why do you idiots want to take away the added defensive bonus and extra item to load up defensive enchantments on for a class that should be sitting 3rd row anyway to give them a skill that makes no sense for them rp wise and that they should never ever ever ever use anyway unless they are leveling?


I always used a shield on my priest.

There is just no -good- reason why you would replace shield block with edamage.


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PostPosted: Sun Jan 20, 2008 10:30 pm 
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Look at the skillset D. If they aren't meant to be warriors. Why do they get 3 attacks and enhanced damage? Shamans are considered a warrior type class and they don't get either. Scouts get 3 attacks and shield block and they will never use a shield. Bards in SK are far from just singing wanderers. If they were to be less combative they wouldn't have 3 attacks and enhanced damage, but instead 2 attacks, no enhanced damage, and many more magic, magic-like, skills and abilities.


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PostPosted: Mon Jan 21, 2008 2:35 am 
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Please don't take shield block from priests. All priests should be wearing a shield, it's a huge defensive bonus and along with shield block can mean the difference between dying and living in many pk situations. Priests should wear shields! And they should definitely be able to block with them.


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PostPosted: Mon Jan 21, 2008 3:42 am 
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Like said, enhanced damage makes no sense at all RP wise for a priest when a shield block could be useful. (blocking a couple of hits can be life-saving, when doing an extra 2% HP damage with your low accuracy weapon is not)

Every class, besides swashbucklers of course, can be seen with a shield and take advantage of it.


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PostPosted: Mon Jan 21, 2008 3:57 am 
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Adder wrote:
Orac wrote:
I've been out with Frollith lots too. At first he would us that harm stave he had then he'd use scrolls. I barely ever saw him use a shield unless it was the crusaders shield. Why don't we let him explain what he liked to do. I've led 3 of the churches and been in a zillion of them and priests just don't seem to use shields. I'm not saying it NEVER happens I'm saying it's very rare.

Perhaps I should correct what I said. I meant I saw him holding a shield -often-. You can hold a stave or scroll and a shield, after all.

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I mean your example of Frollith is pretty lame. No character Is going to live three and a half years and never hold a shield. Heldorian used to hold
shields too and he didn't even have shield block. How often was Frollith in front row or second row deflecting blows with his shield? I'm sure you going to say lots but I doubt he was ever tanking stuff with pimped out cloth and a shield.

Energy armor can give good AC. Obviously he did not intentionally go into combat with the idea that he'd take hits, but it did happen, and I saw logs where he'd survive several rounds of melee combat because of the shield. In fact, I remember fighting him with my hellion and thinking that it was such a pain to kill him because he was immune to my hellfires and kept dodging or blocking all my attacks.

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I could maybe see shield block being taken from priests, but why in the world would they get enhanced damage?


Would a good reason be because they spend years of their lives wielding big heavy mauls bashing and crushing things in painful ways? Would that be a good reason?

I don't think so, no. Ultimately an enhanced damage for shield block trade would mean that priests would lose one skill that can be used for both leveling and PK and gain something that only helps speed up their leveling (albeit more so than shield block), since they'll never be doing physical dmg in PK.

I wouldn't take that trade.


Point 1) I was around Frollith as much or more then you and I didn't see him use a shield often. But like I said I'll leave it to Frollith to post here if he wants to explain what his char was like.

Point 2) Energy armor can have a good AC. So what? Is the meissa holy armor energy armor? Frollith wasn't exactly known for his pimped out loot or hoarding. I remember him having regular clothing that he enchanted then him having the meissa holy armor. Again I'm not going to sit here like you and build him up into a good example, I'll let him explain himself.

3) You don't think a man who goes around with a great big maul bashing and killing with it would know enhanced damage?

Ultimately you're grasping at straws and trotting out Frollith, making him out to be something he wasn't, and claiming shield block is regularily used by priests. It's not. When I led the Harlies none of the priests used shield block.

But I guess since Frollith had his elite energy armor and usually had a shield because he was taking hits so much and stuff this change should be considered.


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PostPosted: Mon Jan 21, 2008 5:39 am 
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Someone who is clearly playing a priest and thinks they need to be better since he is playing one now wrote:
3) You don't think a man who goes around with a great big maul bashing and killing with it would know enhanced damage?


With that logic warlocks should also get enhanced damage, as well as a few other classes that don't get it I'm willing to bet.

Priests get harm, WTF are you doing killing things with a pole-mace?


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PostPosted: Mon Jan 21, 2008 6:11 am 
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Well it looks like about five times as many people think this is idea is bad then think it's good so, maybe i'm on my own here. Oh well. I like the idea.


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