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Trosis
 Post subject: Re: Loyalty Token Costs?
PostPosted: Wed May 16, 2018 8:39 pm 
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Didn’t the Harlies have a sprite barbarian back in the Orsiphatis/varak/Benibana days?
There might be some evidence out there of how strong or weak they were.

I think the cost was thought heavily upon. There is a reason for such a high price, I’d think.
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 Post subject: Re: Loyalty Token Costs?
PostPosted: Wed May 16, 2018 8:49 pm 
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In theory, sprite barbarian is one of the only combos that might actually be mechanically pretty good.

Sprites get a free extra hit, and because of that, would in theory "get more" out of the damage boost from Berserk/Fury than any other race. The damage penalties/bonuses from Size were also adjusted at some point in the past couple years, so being tiny isn't as much of a problem as it was, say 5 years ago.
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archaicsmurf
 Post subject: Re: Loyalty Token Costs?
PostPosted: Wed Dec 09, 2020 10:18 am 
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Can this thread get an updated list of LT race/class combos?
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 Post subject: Re: Loyalty Token Costs?
PostPosted: Thu Dec 10, 2020 7:59 am 
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Location: CA
Races - 12 Races
-Centaur
-Deep-elf
-Dwarf
-Elf
-Giant
-Gnome
-Griffon
-Half-Elf
-Halfling
-Human
-Minotaur
-Sprite

Classes - 13 Classes
-Mercenary
-Swashbuckler
-Barbarian

-Priest
-Paladin
-Hellion
-Shaman

-Bard
-Rogue
-Scout

-Sorcerer
-Warlock
-Necromancer


General Restrictions
Hellion
-Aberrant Only
-Cant be elves
-Minotaur cant be aberrant

Paladin
-Principled Only
-Cant be deep-elves

Griffon/Elves
-Cant be evil class

Classes By Race and Their Token Cost - Race/Alignment Restrictions may apply
Centaur
A glowing portal labelled - 'Mercenary'.
A glowing portal labelled - 'Barbarian'.
A glowing portal labelled - 'Swashbuckler'. (40 tokens)
A glowing portal labelled - 'Hellion'.
A glowing portal labelled - 'Paladin'.
A glowing portal labelled - 'Scout'.
A glowing portal labelled - 'Bard'.
A glowing portal labelled - 'Rogue'. (80 tokens)
A glowing portal labelled - 'Priest'.
A glowing portal labelled - 'Shaman'.
A glowing portal labelled - 'Sorcerer'. (20 tokens)
A glowing portal labelled - 'Warlock'.
A glowing portal labelled - 'Necromancer'. (80 tokens)

Deep-elf
A glowing portal labelled - 'Mercenary'.
A glowing portal labelled - 'Barbarian'. (20 tokens)
A glowing portal labelled - 'Swashbuckler'.
A glowing portal labelled - 'Hellion'.
A glowing portal labelled - 'Scout'.
A glowing portal labelled - 'Bard'. (40 tokens)
A glowing portal labelled - 'Rogue'.
A glowing portal labelled - 'Priest'.
A glowing portal labelled - 'Shaman'. (40 tokens)
A glowing portal labelled - 'Sorcerer'.
A glowing portal labelled - 'Warlock'.
A glowing portal labelled - 'Necromancer'.
- Cannot be Paladins

Dwarf
A glowing portal labelled - 'Mercenary'.
A glowing portal labelled - 'Barbarian'.
A glowing portal labelled - 'Swashbuckler'. (20 tokens)
A glowing portal labelled - 'Hellion'.
A glowing portal labelled - 'Paladin'.
A glowing portal labelled - 'Scout'.
A glowing portal labelled - 'Bard'.
A glowing portal labelled - 'Rogue'. (40 tokens)
A glowing portal labelled - 'Priest'.
A glowing portal labelled - 'Shaman'.
A glowing portal labelled - 'Sorcerer'. (40 tokens)
A glowing portal labelled - 'Warlock'.
A glowing portal labelled - 'Necromancer'. (40 tokens)

Elf
A glowing portal labelled - 'Mercenary'.
A glowing portal labelled - 'Barbarian'. (40 tokens)
A glowing portal labelled - 'Swashbuckler'.
A glowing portal labelled - 'Paladin'.
A glowing portal labelled - 'Scout'.
A glowing portal labelled - 'Bard'.
A glowing portal labelled - 'Rogue'.
A glowing portal labelled - 'Priest'.
A glowing portal labelled - 'Shaman'. (20 tokens)
A glowing portal labelled - 'Sorcerer'.
A glowing portal labelled - 'Warlock'.
- Cannot be hellion or necromancer

Giant
A glowing portal labelled - 'Mercenary'.
A glowing portal labelled - 'Barbarian'.
A glowing portal labelled - 'Swashbuckler'. (40 tokens)
A glowing portal labelled - 'Hellion'. (80 tokens)
A glowing portal labelled - 'Paladin'. (80 tokens)
A glowing portal labelled - 'Scout'.
A glowing portal labelled - 'Bard'. (20 tokens)
A glowing portal labelled - 'Rogue'. (80 tokens)
A glowing portal labelled - 'Priest'. (40 tokens)
A glowing portal labelled - 'Shaman'.
A glowing portal labelled - 'Sorcerer'. (40 tokens)
A glowing portal labelled - 'Warlock'.
A glowing portal labelled - 'Necromancer'. (80 tokens)

Gnome
A glowing portal labelled - 'Mercenary'.
A glowing portal labelled - 'Barbarian'. (40 tokens)
A glowing portal labelled - 'Swashbuckler'. (20 tokens)
A glowing portal labelled - 'Hellion'. (80 tokens)
A glowing portal labelled - 'Paladin'. (80 tokens)
A glowing portal labelled - 'Scout'. (40 tokens)
A glowing portal labelled - 'Bard'. (20 tokens)
A glowing portal labelled - 'Rogue'.
A glowing portal labelled - 'Priest'.
A glowing portal labelled - 'Shaman'.
A glowing portal labelled - 'Sorcerer'.
A glowing portal labelled - 'Warlock'.
A glowing portal labelled - 'Necromancer'.

Griffon
A glowing portal labelled - 'Mercenary'. (20 tokens)
A glowing portal labelled - 'Barbarian'.
A glowing portal labelled - 'Swashbuckler'. (40 tokens)
A glowing portal labelled - 'Paladin'. (20 tokens)
A glowing portal labelled - 'Scout'.
A glowing portal labelled - 'Bard'. (40 tokens)
A glowing portal labelled - 'Rogue'. (80 tokens)
A glowing portal labelled - 'Priest'.
A glowing portal labelled - 'Shaman'.
A glowing portal labelled - 'Sorcerer'.
A glowing portal labelled - 'Warlock'.
- Cannot be Hellion or Necromancer

Half-Elf
A glowing portal labelled - 'Mercenary'.
A glowing portal labelled - 'Barbarian'.
A glowing portal labelled - 'Swashbuckler'.
A glowing portal labelled - 'Hellion'
A glowing portal labelled - 'Paladin'.
A glowing portal labelled - 'Scout'.
A glowing portal labelled - 'Bard'.
A glowing portal labelled - 'Rogue'.
A glowing portal labelled - 'Priest'.
A glowing portal labelled - 'Shaman'.
A glowing portal labelled - 'Sorcerer'.
A glowing portal labelled - 'Warlock'.
A glowing portal labelled - 'Necromancer'.

Halfling
A glowing portal labelled - 'Mercenary'.
A glowing portal labelled - 'Barbarian'. (20 tokens)
A glowing portal labelled - 'Swashbuckler'.
A glowing portal labelled - 'Hellion'. (80 tokens)
A glowing portal labelled - 'Paladin'. (80 tokens)
A glowing portal labelled - 'Scout'.
A glowing portal labelled - 'Bard'.
A glowing portal labelled - 'Priest'.
A glowing portal labelled - 'Shaman'. (20 tokens)
A glowing portal labelled - 'Sorcerer'. (40 tokens)
A glowing portal labelled - 'Warlock'.
A glowing portal labelled - 'Necromancer'.

Human
A glowing portal labelled - 'Mercenary'.
A glowing portal labelled - 'Barbarian'.
A glowing portal labelled - 'Swashbuckler'.
A glowing portal labelled - 'Hellion'.
A glowing portal labelled - 'Paladin'.
A glowing portal labelled - 'Scout'.
A glowing portal labelled - 'Bard'.
A glowing portal labelled - 'Rogue'.
A glowing portal labelled - 'Priest'.
A glowing portal labelled - 'Shaman'.
A glowing portal labelled - 'Sorcerer'.
A glowing portal labelled - 'Warlock'.
A glowing portal labelled - 'Necromancer'.

Minotaur
A glowing portal labelled - 'Mercenary'.
A glowing portal labelled - 'Barbarian'.
A glowing portal labelled - 'Swashbuckler'. (40 tokens)
A glowing portal labelled - 'Scout'.
A glowing portal labelled - 'Bard'. (40 tokens)
A glowing portal labelled - 'Rogue'. (40 tokens)
A glowing portal labelled - 'Priest'. (80 tokens)
A glowing portal labelled - 'Shaman'.
A glowing portal labelled - 'Sorcerer'. (40 tokens)
A glowing portal labelled - 'Warlock'. (20 tokens)
A glowing portal labelled - 'Necromancer'. (20 tokens)
- Cannot be paladins or hellion

Sprite
A glowing portal labelled - 'Mercenary'. (20 tokens)
A glowing portal labelled - 'Barbarian'. (80 tokens)
A glowing portal labelled - 'Swashbuckler'.
A glowing portal labelled - 'Scout'.
A glowing portal labelled - 'Bard'.
A glowing portal labelled - 'Rogue'.
A glowing portal labelled - 'Priest'. (20 tokens)
A glowing portal labelled - 'Shaman'.
A glowing portal labelled - 'Sorcerer'.
A glowing portal labelled - 'Warlock'.
A glowing portal labelled - 'Necromancer'.
- cant be Paladins or hellions

Alignment and their restrictions to race
Light -
Principled
A glowing portal labelled - 'Human'.
A glowing portal labelled - 'Elf'.
A glowing portal labelled - 'Half-Elf'.
A glowing portal labelled - 'Giant'.
A glowing portal labelled - 'Centaur'.
A glowing portal labelled - 'Halfling'.
A glowing portal labelled - 'Dwarf'.
A glowing portal labelled - 'Gnome'.
A glowing portal labelled - 'Griffon'.

Scrupulous
A glowing portal labelled - 'Human'.
A glowing portal labelled - 'Elf'.
A glowing portal labelled - 'Half-Elf'.
A glowing portal labelled - 'Sprite'.
A glowing portal labelled - 'Giant'.
A glowing portal labelled - 'Centaur'.
A glowing portal labelled - 'Halfling'.
A glowing portal labelled - 'Dwarf'.
A glowing portal labelled - 'Gnome'.
A glowing portal labelled - 'Griffon'.
A glowing portal labelled - 'Minotaur'.

Twilight -
Dogmatic
A glowing portal labelled - 'Human'.
A glowing portal labelled - 'Half-Elf'.
A glowing portal labelled - 'Giant'.
A glowing portal labelled - 'Centaur'.
A glowing portal labelled - 'Halfling'.
A glowing portal labelled - 'Dwarf'.
A glowing portal labelled - 'Gnome'.

Unprincipled
A glowing portal labelled - 'Human'.
A glowing portal labelled - 'Half-Elf'.
A glowing portal labelled - 'Sprite'.
A glowing portal labelled - 'Giant'.
A glowing portal labelled - 'Centaur'.
A glowing portal labelled - 'Halfling'.
A glowing portal labelled - 'Dwarf'.
A glowing portal labelled - 'Gnome'.
A glowing portal labelled - 'Minotaur'.

Anarchist
A glowing portal labelled - 'Human'.
A glowing portal labelled - 'Half-Elf'.
A glowing portal labelled - 'Sprite'.
A glowing portal labelled - 'Giant'.
A glowing portal labelled - 'Centaur'.
A glowing portal labelled - 'Halfling'.
A glowing portal labelled - 'Dwarf'.
A glowing portal labelled - 'Gnome'.
A glowing portal labelled - 'Minotaur'.

Evil -
Miscrent
A glowing portal labelled - 'Human'.
A glowing portal labelled - 'Half-Elf'.
A glowing portal labelled - 'Deep-Elf'.
A glowing portal labelled - 'Sprite'.
A glowing portal labelled - 'Giant'.
A glowing portal labelled - 'Centaur'.
A glowing portal labelled - 'Halfling'.
A glowing portal labelled - 'Dwarf'.
A glowing portal labelled - 'Gnome'.
A glowing portal labelled - 'Minotaur'.

Aberrant
A glowing portal labelled - 'Human'.
A glowing portal labelled - 'Half-Elf'.
A glowing portal labelled - 'Deep-Elf'.
A glowing portal labelled - 'Giant'.
A glowing portal labelled - 'Centaur'.
A glowing portal labelled - 'Halfling'.
A glowing portal labelled - 'Dwarf'.
A glowing portal labelled - 'Gnome'.

Diabolic
A glowing portal labelled - 'Human'.
A glowing portal labelled - 'Half-Elf'.
A glowing portal labelled - 'Deep-Elf'.
A glowing portal labelled - 'Sprite'.
A glowing portal labelled - 'Giant'.
A glowing portal labelled - 'Centaur'.
A glowing portal labelled - 'Halfling'.
A glowing portal labelled - 'Dwarf'.
A glowing portal labelled - 'Gnome'.
A glowing portal labelled - 'Minotaur'.
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archaicsmurf
 Post subject: Re: Loyalty Token Costs?
PostPosted: Fri Dec 11, 2020 5:27 am 
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Would it be game breaking to allow players to redeem tokens to add basic adventuring skills to a class that doesn't otherwise have it? Still boggles my mind that warlocks don't get identify or locate, and that shamans get axe and not sword. But bards have sword?

Continual light (5)
Infravision (5)
Detect buried (5)
Sword (10)
Axe (10)
Polearm (10)
Identify (10)
Haggle (10)
Meditation (10)
Endurance (15)
Fast healing (15)
Pick lock (15)
Trance (20)
Locate Object (20)


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Tragonis
 Post subject: Re: Loyalty Token Costs?
PostPosted: Fri Dec 11, 2020 9:06 am 
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Why can't we have dogmatic giant rogues!
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Tragonis
 Post subject: Re: Loyalty Token Costs?
PostPosted: Fri Dec 11, 2020 5:37 pm 
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Correction:
Why can't we have dogmatic rogues!
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