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PostPosted: Wed Dec 14, 2005 2:38 am 
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mezcao wrote:
Achernar should be able to ress all

Ain should be able to ress sargas, algorab, drulik, alshian.

Marfik can ress mira, sadal, yed, thuban, aludra, meissa, archernar

Mira can ress sadal, yed, thuban, mafik archernar, meissa, aludra

Nashira can ress yes, sadr, sadal, achernar, meissa, aludra, dabi

Sadal can ress nashira, mira, yed, ain, thuban, archernar,

Yed can ress nashira, mira, marfik, acherner, sadel, sadr, Zavijah


That list makes very little sense to me. If you're worried about BS roleplay reasons for resurrections, then I think a list like this will foster more vague, weak and awkward (and forced) roleplay scenarios (ie. times where you have to act one way due to hard code, even if it makes no sense ICly) than anything else I can think of.

For example, what could possibly be the reason for Sadal to deny Dabi followers life, but give thubanites life? Why would they deny a man of Sargas life, provided he or she recognise and respect Sadal's influence on their lives? Why would Yed have more respect for knowledge and/or freedom than say Mira or Nashira?

I think I understand the -reasoning- behind such a list (levelling the resurrection field), but the roleplay consequences would be astronomical. I cannot think of even a semi-decent IC reason why Sadal would deny -any- creature of light, dark or shadows, provided they gave proficient respect to Sadals spheres.

Thats really my main problem. Hard coding resurrection restrictions is not, in my opinion, in any way benefitial to the roleplay of priests. The realities is that the pressure on some priest groups is very very high, but impeding their roleplay opportunities is -not- the way to make playing them more attractive, and its -not- the way to encourage good roleplay.


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PostPosted: Wed Dec 14, 2005 2:55 am 
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Arguing about this change on the basis of RP makes absolutely no sense to me. If you belong to a light aura god, by definition he does not like dark aura people. Regardless of how you RP your priest, you aren't going to talk your god into using his power to resurrect someone diametrically opposed to his values.


This would have ruined a large part of my current characters roleplay. Being a Thubanite, I mostly refer seekers to read scriptures of the faith of Dulrik that they may come across, because an important part of lying is being able to put yourself in the position of others.

I myself, spent alot of my time, before my true affiliations became known, impersonating a nashira priest and helping lighties. I gained a lot of favors to call in, exactly the way I imagine the visible thubanite - Still being able to manipulate, although people know that you worship the Lord of Lies.

I still help some lighties and some lighties help me, from my former escapades. A restriction such as this would have made this impossible - A time which I look back upon with much joy...

So, please, no such change :rant:

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Arguing about this change on the basis of mechanics is valid - AKA "Will it be too difficult to get a resurrection?"


As it is already, there are too few darkie priests, I really urge you not to make such a change.


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PostPosted: Wed Dec 14, 2005 3:14 am 
How many times will I have to state the problem.... To many priest ress people they should not be...


As for you being a darkie priest of thuban you should WANT the change to help your RP... If thieres little to know one around who can help darkies other then you then they will come to you... You can deny them aid whenver you want or Make them jump threw hoops for you... Thiere is so much RP potential for a darkie priest if it happens I myself made one in hopes that it will.... RP wise darkie priest have the most to gain so i dont want to hear about it ruining darkie priest RP....

And alea I asked for better list, not a rant about mine...


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As for you being a darkie priest of thuban you should WANT the change to help your RP... If thieres little to know one around who can help darkies other then you then they will come to you...


Wtf dude, I don't think that you have played a char in my position, I have to remain at a good level with other darkies so that my cabal won't be left alone in CRS - I have to have allies. Therefore I need to help them when I can (Not just need, I want to too), the ones I want to jump through hoops and all the others [REDACTED] you mentioned in the lighties. Or perhaps I will even just help them and inform them that I have a favor to call in.

As others have mentioned, the dark-dark rezzes (of characters of some reknown) become tedious and just deteriorate to 'rezplzkthx' after the first few sessions. The great rp (especially for me as a Thubanite manipulative sonnuva) is when lighties ask for help, or I help them without they directly asking.

This change would not only greatly incapacitate the newbies who tend to die alot or the sheer unlucky - But also greatly limit the rp, not only of priests, but of everyone interacting with priests to gain resurrections.


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My vote would go for no change. Why try to fix something that it NOT broken?

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Calling a critical post a rant just because it doesn't agree with you is hardly fair.

I cannot give you another list because I (and you would know this had you actually read my post) think the list idea -in itself- is hugely problematic. Konge has given excellent reasons as to why the RP of some evil priests would be severely impeded - Achernar acknowledged earlier that he could understand the reasoning why some lightie rp concepts would be impeded.

Some priests may give resurrections too easy (though I have yet to see it). If so, slap them with an rp curse. Don't punish the roleplay of others merely because some don't give due thought to their concepts.


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PostPosted: Wed Dec 14, 2005 5:46 am 
I didn't read this until just now but I have to disagree with this thread's purpose of religious specific rezzing. It limits RP and PK as well.

It should die and be sent to hell.


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There's a better solution. If getting resurrected made one's heart race, it wouldn't be so easy to escape the consequences of tricking a priest. As is, post-resurrection recall means a liar will almost always escape. I know I'd be more willing to take chances with resurrections if I had a chance of immediately correcting a mistake.


I like that idea.


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Sargas wrote:
My vote would go for no change. Why try to fix something that it NOT broken?


I agree completely.


mezcao wrote:
How many times will I have to state the problem.... To many priest ress people they should not be...


You have stated what YOU believe is a problem. You have failed to PROVE that any problem actually exists.


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Spoken like a true PKer.... *not a good one*


hehehe I'm far from a true PKer. I can usually get out of PK in one piece, but half the time that's about the best that I can boast. I find countless other ways to get my characters killed.... What really sucks is when you get slaughtered by the tricks that you built yourself. :rant:


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PostPosted: Wed Dec 14, 2005 10:59 am 
To the only person I REALLY need to convince.... dulrik....

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Arguing about this change on the basis of RP makes absolutely no sense to me. If you belong to a light aura god, by definition he does not like dark aura people. Regardless of how you RP your priest, you aren't going to talk your god into using his power to resurrect someone diametrically opposed to his values.


SO if your RP goes agianst that then you RP goes against what he said thiere...

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Arguing about this change on the basis of mechanics is valid - AKA "Will it be too difficult to get a resurrection


So.... since you can death quest or reincarnate I dont think thiere should be a technical problem about making ress harder to get....


And so I will say why I feel strongly about this...

I have VERY few YIM friends becuase I dont really want them... I think is breaks down the SK feel... I only use YIM when I level and am bored or to plan out a specific RP with the paticular person..

Now having said that... I myself know of a priest who was asked to log on to ress another... When she told me she did I DID at that point give her a hard time to wich she replied she would do it for me...
Also I have heard people say that they can think of many reasons why thiere god would pray for a different aura charactor and help thiere OOC friend....


considering I only have very few OOC friends I would think it is the norm
And while He may not of meant it in the examples I gave
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I have.



I am sure thiere are plenty of people reading this who have done it. in fact some of you who wrote may have done it... While this will not stop the OOC BS it will at least make it harder to RESS..... Wich is WAY TO EASY TO GET ....


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